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bluecuracao 03-10-2007 12:31 AM

Last I heard, Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah was the guy pushing for this...I doubt he could give a crap about the taxation without representation.

elSicomoro 03-10-2007 02:55 PM

I'm glad that the ban was overturned, and hopefully the Supreme Court will uphold the ruling or not hear it. I don't think handgun bans work anyway, seeing as criminals are who they are because they don't follow laws.

Having said that, I don't think handgun bans or CCW laws are truly effective in the grand scheme of things. Criminals seem to be more brazen than ever. They don't care if they get filmed...why would they worry about being shot?

rkzenrage 03-10-2007 04:01 PM

It is not that they don't care, it is that those who get filmed are idiots.
Watch cop shows, they act surprised.
"you were filmed"
*shocked expression... slowly followed by resigned sadness* morons are petty criminals, that is all. Real criminals don't get filmed.

elSicomoro 03-10-2007 04:07 PM

Some of them get surprised, sure. But there seems to be an increasingly air of invicibility in people in general...and it has transferred over to the criminal side as well.

Spexxvet 03-10-2007 04:10 PM

:corn:

tw 03-10-2007 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 322071)
Having said that, I don't think handgun bans or CCW laws are truly effective in the grand scheme of things. Criminals seem to be more brazen than ever.

Still not as brazen as the 1970s. But then when political leaders are liars, then crime increases substantially in later years. That was Nixon's legacy. That will also be George Jr's.

wolf 03-10-2007 08:32 PM

If the District issues non-resident CCWs I'll be more likely to go visit again. Nice.

Happy Monkey 03-10-2007 09:23 PM

Half the places you'd visit have metal detectors, though, and wouldn't allow weapons anyway.

wolf 03-11-2007 03:25 PM

I know about the Federal Property exclusion. Pain in the Ass. But I hear the bars in Georgetown are a lot of fun.

Beestie 03-11-2007 10:10 PM

Georgetown is west of 16th street. There's no crime to speak of west of 16th street. You should see a scatter diagram of the homicides in DC. Looking at the map without knowing the geography would lead one to conclude that there is a 200 foot high wall lining the eastern side of 16th street. That's the line separating northeast and northwest DC.

So as long as you stay in northwest, you won't need it. And, if you are anything like me, you take your weapon of choice to the airport before a flight (forgetting to leave it at home) so I have to scout around the planters in the parking deck to stash it without the security cameras picking it up.

Its always there when I come back. Just have to brush the dirt off of it.

TheMercenary 04-07-2007 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Beestie (Post 322338)
Georgetown is west of 16th street. There's no crime to speak of west of 16th street. You should see a scatter diagram of the homicides in DC. Looking at the map without knowing the geography would lead one to conclude that there is a 200 foot high wall lining the eastern side of 16th street. That's the line separating northeast and northwest DC.

So as long as you stay in northwest, you won't need it. And, if you are anything like me, you take your weapon of choice to the airport before a flight (forgetting to leave it at home) so I have to scout around the planters in the parking deck to stash it without the security cameras picking it up.

True dat. The majority of the murders are pretty damm close to the Hill area. South part of the city.

bluecuracao 04-07-2007 07:57 AM

sigh.

No, most of the murders happen in NE, and further SE across the Anacostia River. Not close to Capitol Hill. Although the Hill does have problems with muggings and break-ins.

TheMercenary 04-07-2007 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao (Post 331597)
sigh.

No, most of the murders happen in NE, and further SE across the Anacostia River. Not close to Capitol Hill. Although the Hill does have problems with muggings and break-ins.

When we lived there in the 80's (82-85) I always remember that about 4 or 5 blocks south of the capitol it was a total slum. One of the Government personnel buildings was right smack dab in the middle of it. Come to think of it the area just north of the White House was pretty bad too.

Urbane Guerrilla 04-09-2007 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 322094)
Still not as brazen as the 1970s. But then when political leaders are liars, then crime increases substantially in later years. That was Nixon's legacy. That will also be George Jr's.

This guy stretches points unconscionably to find any excuse to beat on Republicans, particularly Presidents of that persuasion. Rewrite history to suit your own tastes much, chum? How much lying was Bill Clinton doing, again?

DanaC 04-09-2007 07:24 AM

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How much lying was Bill Clinton doing, again?
I think lying about having sex is on a slightly different scale to lying in order to take a country to war.


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