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glatt 10-12-2006 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage
No limitations on types of weapons, how many owned, or interpersonal sales, carry laws, etc.

So you are OK if I have a bio warfare lab in my basement producing anthrax powder? Or if I have a nuclear warhead? Or a rocket launcher? Or a m-60? All those things are weapons. Are they all fine for me and everyone else to have?

Elspode 10-12-2006 03:40 PM

Oooh! Ooohhh!!! I want to be able to carry a pocket nuke for personal protection! Cool!

rkzenrage 10-12-2006 03:41 PM

We are talking about guns. You took "weapon" out of context and you know it. There is no need to twist what I say.
I know someone with an M-60... there would be no way to rob a bank with it, trust me on that.

You can buy large weapons on the black market, I know. Tell me why they are not used in crimes, if this is your fear.

Elspode 10-12-2006 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage
I know someone with an M-60... there would be no way to rob a bank with it, trust me on that.

You can buy large weapons on the black market, I know. Tell me why they are not used in crimes, if this is your fear.

You could mount it on a Hummer and smash into the lobby with it.

I imagine the lack of concealability is why you don't see a lot of LAWS rockets being used in gas station robberies. Well, that, and they're incredibly expensive. Your average crimes are committed by people who want a relatively small and accessible amount of cash, so it isn't really cost effective to use tactical weapons in your average crime.

rkzenrage 10-12-2006 03:57 PM

And you would destroy what you are trying to steal... think a little.

glatt 10-12-2006 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode
Oooh! Ooohhh!!! I want to be able to carry a pocket nuke for personal protection! Cool!


Maybe in a motorcycle side car.

Happy Monkey 10-12-2006 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage
We are talking about guns. You took "weapon" out of context and you know it.

Do "arms" in the First Amendment only refer to personal firearms?

I'd think there was personal ownership of larger weapons, like cannon, at the time, but what would the early US government's views be on personal ownership of, say, a fully armed warship?

rkzenrage 10-12-2006 04:19 PM

I think it refers to personal arms. Not just personal firearms, but not large military grade weapons like bio, nukes, dirty weapons, armored mobile cannons/tanks, personnel carriers, etc.
So, if you want to own an 50cal, which some of my friends and family do, no sweat, anyone who is not a violent felon who wants to conceal carry a firearm from state to state, no sweat. I have no problem with a cannon. They are very impractical for anything but a compound, something I think someone has the right to have. Our family will have one soon... well, this branch.
Also, it is no one's damn business how many fucking rounds I own or if I self pack or not.

mrnoodle 10-12-2006 04:38 PM

Anthrax powder is different from guns. It's not able to be controlled, only contained. A gun, whether .17 caliber or 6-inch, is a mechanism that must be operated.

The government has the right to ban anthrax powder because it's not a basic human right to spread disease.

Spexxvet 10-12-2006 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage
I think it refers to personal arms. ...

I think it refers to rolls of toilet paper!:p

Happy Monkey 10-12-2006 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage
I think it refers to personal arms. Not just personal firearms, but not large military grade weapons like ...

But how do you make the distinction? Anything you can carry? Anything that can be operated by one or two people? Why not a personnel carrier? It's just a truck with armor and a couple of 50cals, right? (I didn't look that up, but substitute actual armament)

Spexxvet 10-12-2006 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage
I think it refers to personal arms. ..

Actually, I'll drop all my gun issues if you agree that the only guns to be possessed by citizens will be of the technology available in 1789.

Aliantha 10-12-2006 07:14 PM

I think it'd be terrible if the citizens of the US didn't have the right to bear arms. Imagine all the handicapped parking spaces you'd need.

headsplice 10-13-2006 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff
He's also anti-free market in energy, but nobody is perfect. ;)

Nothing wrong with that. For examples on good reasons on governmental control of energy distribution please see: rolling blackouts in So.Cal., regional blackout in the NE, and corroded pipeline in Alaska.

rkzenrage 10-14-2006 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet
Actually, I'll drop all my gun issues if you agree that the only guns to be possessed by citizens will be of the technology available in 1789.

As long as that is what all cops and military get too, fine.


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