Public opinion doesn't seem to be swayed by mass shootings.

Isn't the definition of murder the death of innocents?
Otherwise it's manslaughter/ self-defense.

[don't slaughter me if I'm wrong, it'll be a difference in UK/ US law]

Oh, the above is simply me being anal - Spex isn't necessarily wrong.

It just occurred to me that these people are murderers. Britain's most prolific killers did not need guns. The fact that guns feature in the death of "innocents" in the US is just a blip of time and space if you're of a murderous bent IMO.
That said, much as I adore Wolf (the only non-hunting gun-toting Dwellar I can think of off the top of my head) I'd be completely weirded out by seeing any of you carrying a lethal weapon around. That's just my feelings, having not grown up with guns.

Where and when I grew up, seeing someone with a gun would be natural. Here and now I would immediately try to assess their actions and intent, because it's far less common. Spex is right, but in most cases, the post tragedy examination shows plenty of warning signs. That's why the chart of specific proposals has much higher support than the ban/not ban question PEW asked.

I feel those charts reflect my own reaction to those questions, in that my answer to should we ban guns is a sound no, as I think that's throwing out the baby with the bath water and would not solve anything. But the questions about individual initiatives, I can wholeheartedly support. This is what I mentioned earlier about the NRA being wrong in their no restrictions stance, rather than supporting some laws.

At this point, it feels like the first instinct of some folks, when hearing of any national tragedy, is to press hard for their particular political agenda.

"A terrible thing has occurred! And the most important thing is, HOW CAN WE USE IT???"

Those people going on rampages might not have done the deed if they were getting laid more often and that's why we need to legalize prostitution.

Now, what were you sayin' UT?

That won't work, it's not related closely enough. To legalize prostitution you would need a mass fucking, not a mass killing.

I don't know, I think "We the People" are taking a mass fucking every day. ;)

USE it, Bobby!

https://www.bobbyjindal.com/jindal-w...-with-garbage/

I agree with Mr. Jindal.

What if I told you that, over the last 25 years, as society has sunk into the abyss,

What if I told you that after all that...

...for the last 25 years, murders and violent crime are way way down?

America's Faulty Perception of Crime Rates

http://cellar.org/2015/crimechart.jpg

Do you still think it's culture?

I say innocents because I don't think there'd be much outcry if someone killed a bunch of murderers and rapists.;)

Et tu, Brute !



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That's the point LL

Chart is deceiving. Total number of violent crimes is irrelevant. Crimes per GDP are relevant. Relating same data to the population is number of violent crimes per citizen:
2010 0.0040
2005 0.0047
2000 0.0050
1995 0.0068
1990 0.0072
1988 0.0064
1985 0.0055
1980 0.0059
1975 0.0048
1970 0.0036
1965 0.0019
1960 0.0015

Violent crime is down significantly. But not as much as the chart would have us believe. Crime rates are similar to crime in early 1970s.

Is there an echo in here?