They have a word for this ... weather.

Climate change is mapped out over hundreds (that is more than 100) and thousands of years. A 20-year bump is nothing. That is weather.

(I am in the group that says, show me a peer reviewed, independent, non-politicized, proof of climate change and I will talk to you. Right now climate change is just another word for politicians to raise taxes, give funding to lobbiests, and pass laws like the "lightbulb Law" that will dump a billion dollars into GE's coffers.)

Don't worry Coign, I'm not talking to you. Your list of prerequisites clearly indicate your position and your interest and willingness to learn more facts. I do find it interesting that one of your conditions is that you're only interested in talking about non-politicized information and in the very next sentence you display a high degree of politicization on the very same subject. I wonder what you *do* with non-politicized information?

HAHAHA...sure you would. LOL. I know I've always found it tons of fun to stay in practically the same room for a whole day, or even a week sometimes just because there are storms.

Pretend you're on a Mars mission..?

Naw, I'm just talking about sleeping at night.

For this introvert, that is called a vacation! :D

:notworthy

I hear ya!

That is the problem with discussions of climate change right now. It immediately dives into politics right now. Carbon Tax, laws that outlaw incandescent bulbs, subsidiaries for ethanol, and more. There is a reason for governments to fund these papers that slant results to show it is happening so they can push more control, more taxes, and more money into the pockets of the congress/lobbiests backing it.

The problem is the computer models cannot prove or disprove climate change is man-made. And it is not even that they need to prove if it is happening or not, it it proving that carbon dioxide, the stuff that makes plants grow, is the cause of it.

Until we know it is happening, and more importantly know what it is causing it, anything we do to slow/halt/reverse it is just an unnecessary tax/control against an economy that does not have the money to spend.

http://climateaudit.org/2007/11/29/co2-levels/

Also Google "Climategate" and "Steve McIntyre" to get a start on a lot of views that say, "we don't have any proof. We are just now learning more about Climate and how we affect it."

there is this thread ... on that subject.

Yeah, where's that dead horse icon?

zactly!

Pass. Tell the Wizard we said 'Hi'.

If you only had a heart.

Heart hell, if I only had a brain...

Let me get this straight: Roughly 6.5 billion people on the planet, consuming about 6.5 billion pounds of food and about 9.75 billion gallons of water per day, along with producing about 6 billion pounds of poo each day, along with burning the gasoline, diesel, wood, and coal to move and produce the food and electricity. . . Nah, we humans don't effect the planet a bit, never did.

I'm an introvert, I would not call it a vacation. Especially since you are also not supposed have things plugged into the wall during such a storm...like oh, say a TV, or computer, or lamp to read your book by....