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In the second clip, starting at 3:41, he asks his compatriots, "And how long until Gibson gets here, and we have, like, some more numbers?" There's some crosstalk, and then another guy says, "Who's the guy with the weapon here? Me!" "That is some rad shit!," replies Ngo. Fighting is bad. Injuries are bad. Weapons are bad. But Andy Ngo does not believe these things, and he is not on "your" side when it comes to nonviolence. Quote:
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But we need Andy Ngo to be good, so that Antifa and everything they stand for is bad and we never have to talk about it again.
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The guy filming and speaking is an Antifa infiltrator of the right-wing group. He's the source for the Portland Mercury story. The claim is that Andy Ngo overheard this discussion and didn't report it. In the longer unedited video, it's pretty clear that Andy Ngo is *near* them a good bit of time. There's nothing in particular that makes it seem that he's *with* them. He's not directly involved in any discussions. You might say it's damning enough that he's near them for a good bit of time. He wasn't near them when he got attacked. |
I am puzzled by the implication that antifa is an organization. It's not, at least not more than at a strictly local level. It's a set of beliefs. A motivation, rather than a group.
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One is the enemy. Not labeled. Self-made, self-appointed. Also probably did not do well in high-school civics. |
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You need to brush up on what libertarianism really is -- and consider that pure anything social theories do not sustain in actual societies. They perish of exposure to life and necessity -- apparently I need to remind you that I understand this. Puritans became Congregationalists within three generations, and so forth.
Off the top of my head, there was the Whiskey Rebellion and Shay's Rebellion, and one of these (which one was it?) generated about three bloody noses total. The other one didn't. It's a mild affray when *all* the casualties can say, "Ow. Quit it." |
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And as for the whiskey rebellion, I think there was a single fatality. But again, the point was driven home. Within the bounds of the constitution, the government is not libertarian in nature and has never been so. At the moment, it is nowhere near it. Not even in the same area code. Pretty sure you agree with me, but for entirely different reasons. |
Ah, there's your problem, then. You thought I said "government." Not so. I said "society." A distinction between the two is legitimate to make.
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For the most part, things are better, but I can obviously not speak for toddlers in cages. Our society is by nature an oligarchy. |
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