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BigV	04-25-2020 04:18 PM

or your logic is flawed.

sexobon

04-25-2020 04:34 PM

It's not. Your statement was an erroneous deduction.

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 1051534)

By that logic, the federal government is now responsible for the care and result. ...

Cities and states don't get to assign responsibilities to the feds by defaulting on them. The President doesn't answer to mayors and governors. The President gets to pick and choose answering only to the people in the general election. Another four years of Trump for you.

Urbane Guerrilla

04-26-2020 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 1051503)

Because you value your brain (and the sound of your own voice, God love 'em) So. Much. More. Than ours, say what you mean again for us mortals, please. Small words are good ;short sentences are better.

Come now, really. With that attitude, how valuable is yours? What happens to the value with the attitude shorn off? So here, gratis, free of charge, a pro-tip: empty sarcasm doesn't buy impressiveness; rigorous reason does.

I've got a couple million of these, and I'm always willing to pour them over your head.

tw	04-26-2020 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 1051588)

So here, gratis, free of charge, a pro-tip: empty sarcasm doesn't buy impressiveness; rigorous reason does.

If someone has a 30 second attention span. Then thinks about something for 30 seconds. Is that rigorous reasoning? No wonder Clorox is recommended to increase health.

xoxoxoBruce

04-27-2020 12:40 AM

But do you know of anyone who has died from Corvid-19 who ate Tide Pods?

Luce	04-27-2020 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 1051588)

You aren't getting the effect you are trying for.

Luce	04-27-2020 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1051533)

The mayors and governors hold the President and federal government responsible for providing PPE. Then they complain if the feds appropriate PPE that cities and states have sourced themselves.

With responsibility goes commensurate authority. The mayors and governors relinquished their authority over appropriations when they deflected responsibility to the federal government.

Except when they get PPE, Trump has FEMA come by and grab it off of them.

sexobon

04-27-2020 11:48 AM

So? That's a President's prerogative. There'll also be redistribution between federal agencies to keep the military effective and start rebuilding the national stockpile for the next wave:

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VA health chief acknowledges a shortage of protective gear for its hospital workers

… But in an interview, the physician in charge of the country’s largest health-care system acknowledged the shortage — and said masks and other supplies are being diverted for the national stockpile.

“I had 5 million masks incoming that disappeared,” said Richard Stone, executive in charge of the sprawling Veterans Health Administration. …

… He said the Federal Emergency Management Agency directed vendors with equipment on order from VA to instead send it to FEMA to replenish the government’s rapidly depleting emergency stockpile. ...

Luce	04-27-2020 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1051629)

So? That's a President's prerogative. There'll also be redistribution between federal agencies to keep the military effective and start rebuilding the national stockpile for the next wave:

Seizing states' property is a presidential prerogative?

Okay. Just keep that in mind.

This is particularly funny, given that the president said he wasn't going to help the states because "he's not a shipping clerk".

sexobon

04-27-2020 01:01 PM

Yep, there's a laundry list of Presidential emergency powers.

The President isn't a shipping clerk for the states. He's a procurement officer for the federal government. The states aren't going to fight our battles to support and defend the Constitution … not now; or, in the future.

Cities and states can afford to get tunnel vision. The federal government can't, it has to see the big picture. Hence, the emergency powers.

Luce	04-27-2020 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1051635)

Powers like...Ripping off the VA for masks and then selling them to foreign governments?

Powers like that?

Luce	04-27-2020 01:43 PM

I mean, why not, right?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/5119824002/

sexobon

04-27-2020 02:31 PM

Your timelines are skewed. The export to China was back in February when it was hoped to better contain the virus there.

Your references are vague. The accounting was for many types of masks, not just those effective against the virus.

My reference stated that masks ordered by the VA were redirected to the national stockpile.

Sorry you've developed tunnel vision. It's a symptom of being stressed out. Such occurrences are commonplace; but, their numbers make no difference in the grand scheme of things. Lions care not about the thoughts of sheep. If you didn't already have your own cache of PPE, you're a sheep. Another four years of Trump will toughen you up.

Luce	04-27-2020 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1051645)

If you didn't already have your own cache of PPE, you're a sheep. Another four years of Trump will toughen you up.

Yeah, we're done here.

sexobon

04-27-2020 03:56 PM

You were done for before you began. :p:

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