[quote][Lookout123 approves of this./QUOTE]

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When junior learns respect, then lookout123 can ask permission to speak.

so from that post you get that i approve of blackwater mercenaries killing people and getting away with it? is that what you are saying?

Tw getting somebody's ideas wrongly fixed is the usual road, yes.

He's a lot better at troubleshooting autos than at the people arts, like politics.

..or carpet bombing.

Yeph. Agent Orange killed that flea. Problem solved. Cheney would be proud of me. And now everyone asks where I bought the new carpet.

From the BBC of 8 Dec 2007: Suddenly they are no longer dangerous? By torturing them with the words from god as told to George Jr, then these evil men have been repatriated? After spending years in prison without judicial review or writ of Habeas Corpus, then suddenly these four men are no longer part of an "international world wide organized evil empire of terror"? Wow. Maybe the Nazis had to right all along. Torture does work.

Did George Jr also convert the bogeyman after only asking questions in a secret underground White House prison chamber? Suddenly UG and classicman no longer have an enemy to blame for everything? What will they do?

A secretly released CIA tape proves that Hitler's bastard son, living in South America, has been secretly supplying Al Qaeda with weapons. Now we can 'Pearl Harbor' Brazil. That will make Urbane Guerrilla so happy. Guantanamo is conveniently placed to make this work. It's good to know how Guantanamo can reform terrorists. Even the most evil terrorists with stiff upper lips.

From now on when you see TW post think Ted Kaczynski with internet access:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphic...ots/tedmug.jpg

How and why did I get dragged into this?

tw, seriously, leave me out of your petty squabbles.

ktxbye

I'm so pleased the George Jr administration is protecting Americans - a specific reference to the type of people Urbane Guerrilla so approves of and a government that would even deny this happened. Since "Saddam has WMDs", then what's wrong with a few more lies. From ABC News of 10 Dec 2007 is a question of how often does Haliburton work for the greater glory of America. As made obvious from George Jr administration actions, this is all good for America:
Why should they investigate. Haliburton employees in Iraq are exempt from all laws.

Her rescuers found her in a locked shipping container. Her medical exam says she was clearly raped. The evidence was lost by Haliburton - that so patriotic organization. EVen a Republican Congressman says it happened. Two years later means no criminal investigation? Begs anyone who supports the scumbag president to question his own morality. But it won't. Even questions by a Congressman means no investigation. Campaign contributions do buy protection.

Amazing how only the evil news services would report such facts. The coverup continues. Read it.

What???? Why would they give the rape kit to the accused? Somethin fishy with that story.

P.S. - tw, see how I quoted the article to eliminate any confusion?

You are making assumptions. Again making conclusions based upon what does not exist. The rape kit was not handed to the accused. KBR (Halliburton) was not accused. KBR are the patriots who work for America. These were security men. Therefore they could be trusted to promote the George Jr agenda.

Halliburton (KBR) accused of violating American laws? No problem. KBR is exempt from any laws in Iraq. Even the Iraqi government cannot prosecute any KBR employee in their country.

Sorry still doesn't make sense.:headshake

psst - so was my response.

Bt the question I posed remains to be answered, doesn't it?

You really must learn to read with care. Why do you see a "question" when even a question mark does not exist? What question? Maybe I should requote it for you? Naw. That would only create more questions without question marks. The world is confusing enough. [And who is Bt?]

That one perhaps. actually its those two.

China made the problem so obvious that everyone, even in the Cellar, would see it. A Chinese intentional destruction of a satellite means the number of dangerous space junk tracked by the US increased to over 6000+ items. 2000+ were created by that Chinese demonstration. Numbers intentionally created to make it impossible for anyone (except extremists) to justify the mental midget's denials.

Responsible nations desperately want restrictions so that this problem does not worsen. Only one nation (under extremist god) is stifling this effort. President Cheney would rather solve everything using pre-emption. America needs space for more battlefields.

From the NY Times of 13 Feb 2008: Show me one thing from the mental midget that indicates intelligence. Oh. George Jr will find bin Laden in space? Even Nixon was not this anti-American, anti-Australian, anti-Thai, anti-German, anti-Tanzanian, anti-Brazilian ...

See also USA pwnz space..

What does that have to do with giving the rape kit to the company/employer of the accused rapists?

That simply makes no sense.

From the NY Times of 19 Mar 2008: Meanwhile neither Iran, Iraq, or N Korea was a threat. A wacko extremist has a political agenda to serve. Honesty is not George Jr - a problem when told what to do by god. All those 'axis of evil', it turns out, were not until George Jr began threatening them with 'Pearl Harbor' actions justified by a crusader's mentality. Guess who pays.

Curiously, this was also the 40th Anniversary of the My Lai massacre where American soldiers even used babies for target practice. All for the glory of another lying president.

From the Washington Post of 2 Apr 2008: Torture and international kidnapping of any non-American was declared legal by our wacko extremists. Another example of how corrupt one will be when a political agenda justifies action. Another example of why extremists are so dangerous since only an extremist would see nothing wrong here.

"It was legal. Therefore it is not 'evil'."

Where?
:eyebrow:

Which lying president would that be?

Answer from wiki

From ABC News of 19 April 2008: Such a plan requires a White House that works for America; not for a political agenda. These are mutually exclusive objectives.

There is not and has not been plans to get bin Laden. Those who have long understood this also ask, "When do we go after bin Laden?" Now the GAO says same. Is the GAO some kind of communist conspiracy? Only useful plans to end "Mission Accomplished" also came from the 9/11 Commission. But when the president is even a liar, then keeping a bogeyman alive is good politics.

Which is good for America? A political agenda or getting bin Laden? Keeping bin Laden alive is good for wacko extremist politics. But the patriot asks, "When do we go after bin Laden?" GAO has finally moved Congress to work for America? How many Cellar Dwellers also feared to ask what only a patriotic Congressman (or presidential candidate) would ask. When DO we go after bin Laden? A lying president will not.

Let me help. The lying president wasn't named Bush or Nixon. My Lai occurred March 16, 1968.
Old lying liberal Democrat LBJ was the lying president during My Lai. How many thousands of civilians and US military died because of his lies and micromanagement? GWB has no chance of finishing up his eight years in office cathing up to LBJ's five years of criminal activity.

We've had lots of liars. LBJ is right there with Wilson and Bush in shear criminality.

Can you attempt to adjust for inflation?

It says, in 2007 dollars.

$4 billion in 1776 dollars would have been impressive.

Looking at the chart WWI, WWII, and the Korean War were not 'US' Wars. Technically, Afghanistan-Iraq also are not, but with over %90 of the forces involved and probably an even larger percentage of the cost tied to the US, it really is a US-led show.

Was the $3.2 trillion for WWII all from the US?

BTW, the 820 billion for Iraq/Afghanistan only includes current costs, and even then not those buried in defense spending. I'm not sure I trust the $3 trillion figure being thrown around, but I would at least double the 820B if including post-war costs even if the war were called off tomorrow.

In terms of bang for the buck, Iraq will go down in history as the worst strategic blunder the US has ever made.

That is the impression I get from the labeling. The article in Reason it comes from is about the cost of our present war so they would want to minimize the WW2 numbers.

Percentage of GDP would show actual impact on the people and the economy.

Using this set of GDP data, and a Sharpie on the back of a wet napkin:

Iraq 2: 1.1% of GDP
Iraq 1: 1.2%
Vietnam: 2%
WW2: 56%
WW1: 16%
Span-Amer: 2%
Civil War: 22%

Beyond that I doubt the numbers are meaningful.

Well yeah, it's 1.1% that could surely have been spent more wisely.

This does indicate the difference between "war" and "total war" ala WW2 in which the fight is thought to be for one's very existence as a nation, as a culture. Pretty much the whole banana is avoiding one of those kinds of wars. Whatever we could do to avoid that would be great.

Iraq 1 (Desert Storm or Kuwait Liberation) does not tell the entire picture. Because the president back then was more responsible, then the US paid almost nothing for that war. That war was paid for mostly by the entire world. Japan being the largest contributor. Therefore the negative effects on the economy from that war were marginal at best (and yet still the economy took a small downturn).

White House admits fault on 'Mission Accomplished' banner
 

From ABC News of 30 April 2008:
3.5 years to create, train, and deply armies all over the world and win every war. Six years and George Jr cannot even conquer one innocet nation? Meanwhile, when do we go after bin Laden? Mission Accomplished. Protect the bogeyman.

psssst - BOO

When we decide to declare war on Pakistan.

We don't need a war to conduct covert operations. But then all efforts to get bin Laden including tracking him, military surveillance, Alex Station, or future intentions – all have been canceled or obstructed by George Jr.

It would be impossible to conduct a covert operation in North-West Frontier Provence.

Just like it was impossible to do in Afghanistan? Spies can be dispatched almost anywhere - as we had in Afghanistan. Intelligence units (ie Alex Station) would have always existed if we had any intent to go after bin Laden.

The North-West Frontier Provence is a whole different ballgame. A goat can't move without being scrutinized. Rambo would be killed, there.

KBR is George Jr's choice for no-bid contracts. KBR properly reflects the attitude and knowledge of our leader. From the NY Times of 4 May 2008: Tens of thousands of grounds must be missing just to have one result in severe electric shock. Electrical grounds are so obvious and easy that it is almost impossible for any honest person to not connect one. Why do so many Americans still get killed? Good thing we saved so much money and therefore don't have all these debts to pay off. They are only soldiers - expendable? So lie to mask reality? Safety grounding is so easy, so obvious, so standard, so simply, and so difficult to get wrong .,. So why does grounding not get done? It’s easier to not do it - but only when top bosses hold nobody responsible or are also on the take. Why does George Jr so often reward KBR - Cheney's company - with so many no-bid contracts?

Cheney's "company" is Halliburton. Last year Halliburton sold off KBR, and is now only an oil services company and not an oil and international construction services company.

But wasn't KBR awarded this work while still in the Halliburton (Cheney) family?

And the shareholders rejoiced mightily at the windfall, which, thanks to the Bush Administration, were taxed lightly.

Cheney should have recused himself from any decisions involving Haliburton/KBR. It should have been left to the Pentagon.

From the Washington Post of 9 May 2008:

The evidence remains against any interpretation that the dominoes were "mythical." China: first domino. North Vietnam: second domino. Then in very rapid succession, Laos, Cambodia, South Vietnam. Four or five dominoes (which word tw cannot spell) is validation of the domino worry: that SE Asia would fall into Communism's dark night and human wastage. Which it indeed did. For which occurrences, tw is the endless shill, while denying he's doing any such thing. He's never been able to explain how the domino theory is unjustified anyway. It suffices for him to pretend aloud that it was, but I have a clearer, better mind, and much better morals. I actually dislike dictatorships.

If there's ever a leftist totalitarian regime tw can't love, I don't know which one it is. I've thought the same of the late columnist Mary McGrory, and disapproved of her every bit as much because of it.

It's more tw's ideas that are under attack nowadays than his personality.

guerilla, the so called dominoes fell because the US invaded their countries as well, for what turned out to be no reason at all. Those countries got so pissed at this new attempt at imperialism from the West, they threw themselves on the (Chinese/Vietnamese) Communists' side.

Only for the USSR, the 'dominoes' became dominant in themselves, and didn't care much for Russian-brand Communism.

Iran learned very well from 'Nam. Notice how they helped the Coalition in Afghanistan by shutting out the Taliban' potential escape there; but have their cronies fight the Coalition in Iraq after Saddam fell. They realize first that it is in their interest to rid themselves of Hussein and Omar as neighbors. They then extended the war because they realized that Bush/Cheyney was looking at a reason to invade Iran from 2003 on. 'Have the brothers fight over there on enemies' turf, as opposed to having the brothers fight on our turf.' Somebody said that, someone famous...

UG also forgets that under that same 'evil' government, Vietnam is now prospering as never seen before. GDP growth is puts Vietnam as one of the fastest growing nations in Asia. Another trend is so many former boat people who visit their former homeland and end up staying. Job prospects and a future are that rosy in communist Vietnam. Domino simply fell in the right direction.

Tw's ever the apologist for the Communists, which is simply an indication of his amputee's grasp of the real or that which humans desire. Totalitarian government cannot help but be evil; tw never understands this because he's so incompetent both at good and evil and at the human arts of politics. He hitched his wagon to a Red Star, and can't unhitch. Very inflexible mind.

The reason Vietnam is working now is because the Vietnamese have abandoned communism, not because the Communists seized it and generated two million international refugees and two hundred fifty thousand surviving boat people. People try and float away from communist totalitarianism on rafts, tw -- never towards it. Boat people validate our entire effort, and indict those whom you love so crazily and unbelievably. I can only assume your motivations are either insane or nonhuman. I will have none of them, and am offended you still advocate such abominations.

Having abandoned communism, Vietnam prospers in spite of the cadre's maintenance of Communism as the state religion. Vietnam will be in better shape when it abandons the bad religion at all levels.

Deadbeater, Laos is still communist, and still totally screwed up. American bombing of communists in Cambodia, communists in Laos, and communists in South Vietnam did not collapse these nations, only the invasion by totalitarians did. No totalitarian invasion, no falls -- that follows. After invasions by totalitarians, falls into ruin, everywhere I've mentioned. Those nations that have abandoned communism now prosper again. They didn't while the Communists practiced communism upon the population. These things are matters of record, deadbeater, which records you're not reading. Why is that? I can imagine, but it's very much not to your credit.

Summary of Bush's actual record -- and of who'd rather it were otherwise.

World Net Daily? I call shenanigans...

More proof we can't force it on them, the people have to want it.

Except, you know, China.

Last time anyone checked the communist party was alive and well in China.

Yup. That was, in fact, the point.

The stock market crashed today on bad news that can't be hidden by the government anymore. The market crashed, and, as the oil running up $11 dollars per barrel, we will soon have rises in unemployment and inflation. Way to go, Bush.

This started long before Bush, he just hastened it.