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Whit 04-28-2003 10:03 PM

     Thanks, perth!
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Also taken from that site:
Protectionism is a misnomer. The only people protected by tariffs, quotas and trade restrictions are those engaged in uneconomic and wasteful activity. Free trade is the only philosophy compatible with international peace and prosperity
     Hey, thanks for taking the time to cut out the portion of the site that you linked to that you actually agreed with.
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I've said nothing that would lead anyone to believe I'd oppress anyone. And I only threaten those who threaten the Constitution (which is the same as threatening America) and I would never murder anyone. I might kill someone in my own defense or the defense of my country. But I'd never murder them.
     Oh right all you said was that you'd overthrow the goverment and kill anyone that opposed you. LOL Where would we get the idea that you're forcing anything (including death) on us? Oh, becuase that's what putting the goverment you want in effect and killing those that oppose you means...
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Try again loser. My Constitutional references are above reproach and are 100% accurate.
     That must be why you ignored Juju's post/link about Alexander Hamilton. Heh.
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I don't want the government to be "shaped" by you, me, or anyone else. Unlike the morons who advocate violating the Constitution, I read it for what it says, not what I want it to say.
     Oh of course, and we should all trust the guy that calls us names and says he'll kill us if we're in opposition. 'Cause he's a nice guy that wants to help us. Suuuure he is.
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millions will rise up because there are millions of Americans like me who respect the Constitution and will die to defend our country against our government. I see them every single day.
     Ok, you just hold your breath waiting for them to take up arms.
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And keep talking shit. You make yourself look more and more stupid each and every time. It's amazing. I didn't think it was possible for you to look more stupid yet you never disappoint. And if you want to find out how tough this internet guy is, feel free to look me up anytime. I don't start fights, but I always finish them.
     This is exactly why you're an internet tough guy. You talked about killing me and then said I was talking shit. Oh yeah, and I should look you up. LOL Obviously you're the one that cares here. I'm posting for my own amusement. You're getting emotional.
     By the by, congrats on the upcoming nuptuals.

Radar 04-28-2003 10:11 PM

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I keep thinking I would like to bartend next year, I think my mother would kill me if I started doing that though. How did you get into that Radar, did you know a lot about making drinks before you started, or did they pretty much teach you how to make the most popular drinks and then set you loose.
I attended a bartending school and then looked for work. I started off doing banquet bartending at hotels and restaurants to get experience. But it's best if you know someone who owns a bar and will give you a shot. I later returned to teach bartending and I think that made me a better bartender. Just like when I used to teach Microsoft Certification to would-be engineers. I felt like teaching them helped me be a better engineer. They would try new things I'd have to find a way to fix it.

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Um, you included a quote opposing tariffs. I am somewhat confused.
The quote was against protectionism. Right now all of the constitutional parts of government can be paid for using the amount of money we already collect in tariffs and excise taxes. I'd be satisfied to spread it out evenly so nobody had an unfair advantage over another and it wouldn't be a large burden on those who bring goods here. Perhaps one day we'd be able to eliminate tariffs too if we started using usage taxes. But regardless of whether or not we do have tariffs, the income tax is unconstitutional and amounts to slavery. And as such nobody is required to pay them. In fact it's unamerican to pay income taxes because of this. Everything short of violence has been tried to get the government to address this issue except for one thing. Check out Bob Schulz at http://www.givemeliberty.org to see the extent to which he went just to get the government to answer a few questions. He invited them to discuss it with him on CSPAN and they claimed they'd show but didn't. He went on a hunger strike and they said they'd meet with him so he'd end the strike on the 19th day but they didn't show. He showed up in Washington D.C. with representatives from all 50 states to exercise their 1st amendment right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Nobody in Washington knew what to do. It had never been done before. They made a list of questions and gave them to every member of congress and the president, but nothing they did, including taking out full page ads in the USA Today got the government to address the problems.

The only thing left to do short of violence is for people to stop paying income taxes. We the people are the master's of government. They are our public servants. What is a free people to do when a servant starts taking over the house? Starve them. Don't give them the means to support themselves and you'll make a point very quickly.


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Wow. That is incredible if true. Are we arguing with God?
No, just an honest and well-educated man of honor.

elSicomoro 04-28-2003 10:12 PM

Hey, I'm all for getting a Libertarian to make a stronger than usual run at the presidency, since that would most likely take votes from Bush.

Radar 04-28-2003 10:21 PM

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Oh right all you said was that you'd overthrow the goverment and kill anyone that opposed you. LOL Where would we get the idea that you're forcing anything (including death) on us? Oh, becuase that's what putting the goverment you want in effect and killing those that oppose you means...
No, I said I'd overthrow those who have taken over government and return government to a Constitutional Republic like what we started with only with the additions to the constitution included (not the parts that were added illegally like the 16th amendment). And no I wouldn't be putting the government that I personally want, but rather the government all of us agree to live under with the Constitution. Without the Constitution there is no United States of America. I'm not interested in taking over, or in replacing our government. Just in removing those who have violated the Constitution and returning government to one that sticks to the rules. Not MY rules, or even new rules; just the same rules they've always been REQUIRED to follow.

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That must be why you ignored Juju's post/link about Alexander Hamilton. Heh.
The Federalist papers are not part of the Constitution. And for the record the anti-federalists were right in what they said and Hamilton was wrong.

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By the by, congrats on the upcoming nuptuals.
Thanks. I appreciate that.

Undertoad 04-28-2003 10:24 PM

When you bartend, is the difficult part keeping track of 10 different orders? Do you serve people by taking order A and filling order a, then taking order B and filling order b, or is it more like ABCDaEbcF ...

Radar 04-28-2003 10:30 PM

It depends on what kind of bartending you're doing. In a lot of restaurants they've got printouts and you can go by them. In banquet bartending you've got to take people one at a time, or in a club you've got to keep track in your head.

Whit 04-28-2003 10:37 PM

     Radar, dude, if some guy you didn't know was talking about revolution and assured you he wasn't intending to take over, just make it like it was supposed to be, would you believe him?

Radar 04-28-2003 11:29 PM

It would depend mostly on who the guy was, what his reasons were, and what his goals were. I would believe me. But I wouldn't believe George Bush, Al Gore, or Ralph Nader.

Cam 04-28-2003 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by Radar
It would depend mostly on who the guy was, what his reasons were, and what his goals were. I would believe me. But I wouldn't believe George Bush, Al Gore, or Ralph Nader.
Radar I think your hopeless.

Whit 04-28-2003 11:51 PM

     Like I said, you'd have to take the guys word on his reasons and his goals.

Torrere 04-30-2003 08:47 PM

You would believe yourself.

I wouldn't.

Radar 04-30-2003 11:01 PM

I would believe me were I someone else. I have far more credibility, integrity, honesty, and intelligence than any of those I mentioned.

Cam 05-01-2003 01:01 AM

Yep and that's why you find yourself sitting in the Oval office right??

Radar 05-01-2003 02:09 AM

Actually I've never run for the office of president but I'd imagine as an honest and truly patriotic man, I'd be at a disadvantage to obtain it. I'll be satisfied when another Libertarian holds that spot. But I will be elected at some position in government whether it be congress, the senate, or governor of a state, I'm not sure.

Undertoad 05-01-2003 09:17 AM

would urge you to run for office. It gives one a fine perspective on the challenge and reality of politics. I never ran myself but I have managed several campaigns.


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