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rkzenrage 03-29-2007 04:57 PM
Yayyyyy... Pie absolved me!
I can pull the trigger and that is all I'm responsible for!
That bad ol' bullet killed em'.

HungLikeJesus 03-29-2007 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Pie (Post 328160)
However, if you don't do the best you can by your own yardstick, you are always to blame, even if nothing bad comes of it.

:2cents:
So you seem to agree that, since most drivers don't do their best to improve their driving skills, they are at least partly to blame when they are in an accident?

Shawnee123 03-29-2007 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Pie (Post 328160)
Exactly. You are responsible for doing the best you can. Ethically, morally, and every which other way. Always.

If something bad happens as a result, it is not your fault.

If something good happens, it is not to your praise.

However, if you don't do the best you can by your own yardstick, you are always to blame, even if nothing bad comes of it.
Where in this set of absolutes does one get to think "you know, I really worked hard for that outcome. I deserve to feel good about it."?

xoxoxoBruce 03-29-2007 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 327785)
Are you abdicating responsibilty for those things? Is it that God works in mysterious ways? Or coincidence? Shit happens?

You did have some influence in all those things. Your choices put you there. It may have not worked according to plan, but you did make choices, and those choices had those results.
Oh of course, why didn't I see that. If he hadn't chosen to breath this morning he wouldn't have died this afternoon. It's so clear.

Well then, by your logic, I didn't make the decision to be born so everything that happens to me is someone else's fault.

Happy Monkey 03-29-2007 08:13 PM
It seems to be a bit of a tautology. It's true, but it says nothing outside of its own validity.

Pie 03-29-2007 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 328197)
So you seem to agree that, since most drivers don't do their best to improve their driving skills, they are at least partly to blame when they are in an accident?
Yep.

Pie 03-29-2007 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 328192)
Yayyyyy... Pie absolved me!
I can pull the trigger and that is all I'm responsible for!
That bad ol' bullet killed em'.
No, your action was unethical -- if you believe suicide is unethical.

Pie 03-29-2007 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 328259)
It seems to be a bit of a tautology. It's true, but it says nothing outside of its own validity.
I think you were responding to me?
It does absolve you from guilt over things that were unforeseeable. I have to keep reminding my mother of this from time to time -- you did the best with the information you had -- at the time. You can't beat yourself up forever for things that you didn't know, things that you couldn't have known.

If your actions are good, honorable, ethical, moral, worthwhile... you have lived up to your highest possibility. Doesn't matter if your life sucked, if you made a billion dollars, if you were loved, if you died in a ditch. What you do is all that matters.

Kingswood 03-29-2007 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 327975)
Action - driving while drunk
Illegal
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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 327975)
Action - Driving your kids to the swimming pool
Legal

That's the difference.

xoxoxoBruce 03-29-2007 10:28 PM
Being a legal act does not remove any responsibility for your actions.

Shawnee123 03-30-2007 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 328199)
Where in this set of absolutes does one get to think "you know, I really worked hard for that outcome. I deserve to feel good about it."?
Am I on ignore, or invisible, or is this not a valid question?

Griff 03-30-2007 08:53 AM
Sometimes it's easier to ignore the tough questions.


opinion: The remaining small government conservatives in the GOP are completely out of the loop. They represent a large number of voters and need to assert themselves.

elSicomoro 03-30-2007 08:55 AM
I haven't heard much out of Ron Paul recently, but isn't he running for President?

Griff 03-30-2007 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 328416)
I haven't heard much out of Ron Paul recently, but isn't he running for President?
Don't mock my silly belief system lube boy.

elSicomoro 03-30-2007 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 328418)
Don't mock my silly belief system lube boy.
I'm not mocking you, drunkard. Depending on the candidates, I might be inclined to vote for someone like Paul.


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