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Hippikos 08-04-2006 03:24 AM

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Mags, do you have moral equivalency police duty this week?
I'm sorry, how could I forget y'all live on moral highground.

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Meanwhile Hezbollah rains down rockets quite literally randomly on Israel without the vaguest pretense of attacking anything military thereby. All IDF is doing is trying to stop them, which is their right.
Meanwhile the IDF is killing Lebanese civillians randomly with a rate of 40:1. Reminds me of Lidice.

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IDF is not targeting civilians, nor would it be to their advantage to do so. They are doing their best to attack only military targets. Note that the convention states
This remark shows that either the IDF is making a complete mess of it, or you eat all propaganda the Israeli government is spooning you...

The IDF "precision" bombs a place from where it thinks Katusha rockets has been fired, no matter if and how many civillians are killed. Not only the Arabs but especially Israel has a long list of collateral damage.

glatt 08-04-2006 08:05 AM

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A neighborhood in Beruit. Images taken two weeks apart.

Stolen from Washington Post.

MaggieL 08-04-2006 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt
A neighborhood in Beruit. Images taken two weeks apart.

Are you claiming that image is representative of the entire city? Or is that the site of a military target cherrypicked from available data?

I note that the surrounding area appears to be untouched.

Undertoad 08-04-2006 10:20 AM

"...show the level of destruction in this area of Beirut"

Sometimes you have to "fix" the AP caption.

Spexxvet 08-04-2006 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt
A neighborhood in Beruit. Images taken two weeks apart.

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C'mon! That's on the back lot of a hollywood studio, right beside the Tranquilty Base and holocaust sets [/sarcasm]

MaggieL 08-04-2006 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hippikos
Meanwhile the IDF is killing Lebanese civillians randomly with a rate of 40:1. Reminds me of Lidice.

Source please? Especially for the claim of "randomness". Speaking of eating propaganda.

Of course if there's 80 civilians clustered around every rocket launcher with a crew of two that wouldn't be surprising. The "60 civilians" at Quana turned out to be actually 20 women and children. Curiously enough there were *no* men killed. I'm sure that's the IDF's fault too; they obviously have a weapon that preferentially kills women and children.

Maybe that launcher only needed one terrorist to load it and 20 women and children to shield it.

MaggieL 08-04-2006 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet
C'mon! That's on the back lot of a hollywood studio, right beside the Tranquilty Base and holocaust sets [/sarcasm]

No, all it takes to control the spin is the power to write the caption.
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Originally Posted by CNN
Before and after satellite images of Dahieh, Lebanon, a southern suburb of Beirut and home to Hezbollah's headquarters, show how it has dramatically deteriorated during warfare between Israel and Hezbollah.


glatt 08-04-2006 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL
Are you claiming that image is representative of the entire city? Or is that the site of a military target cherrypicked from available data?

I note that the surrounding area appears to be untouched.

Well. I linked to the article it came from, but going back to it now, I see the Post has changed it around some, and dropped the description that accompanied the pic. In fact, the pics are gone from the site. I'm glad I stole them.

Anyway, the article said that Israel claims this neighborhood is a Hezbollah stronghold, and has bombed it repeatedly.

I posted the pictures because they add information to the discussion. The one neighborhood in the center has been pretty much flattened, but the surrounding areas are pretty intact (from space anyway.)

MaggieL 08-04-2006 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt
In fact, the pics are gone from the site. I'm glad I stole them.

Steal the CNN caption too...or there will be one more urban legend in the infowar. The images don't "add information to the discussion" without the explanation as to why that area has been flattened.

glatt 08-04-2006 11:54 AM

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Steal the CNN caption too...

I didn't get them from CNN.

glatt 08-04-2006 11:56 AM

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The images don't "add information to the discussion" without the explanation as to why that area has been flattened.

The link I provided gave that explanation. It has since been changed. Complain to the Post, not to me.

MaggieL 08-04-2006 01:31 PM

The image you posted bore a caption: "Two images [times taken] show the level of distruction in Beruit". I'd call that pretty misleading, even if the more complete story was once at the other end of a link. Obviously it's way far from representative, yet standing alone it claims to show THE level of destruction.

Yes, I know, you didn't write that caption either. But you did sever the pic from it's actual context, which should accompany the image. Since the WaPo page has Joined the Choir Invisibule, the CNN caption will do.

The large print giveth, the small print taketh away.

Trilby 08-04-2006 01:56 PM

I love it when Mag quotes the Bible.*


*Bible according to the Magster.

Undertoad 08-04-2006 02:13 PM

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages...HIC/index.html

NYT does so much a better job here, it's just plain not funny!

Be sure to hit the LABELS button and see exactly what was hit.

Ibby 08-04-2006 02:29 PM

Notice the PRECISION with which the IDF DIDN'T destroy churches, schools, and municipal buildings.


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