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Spexxvet 02-02-2010 09:46 AM
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You actually believe this is a "crusade"? That is a definition place on the WOT by those who oppose it and it's methods. It is a fantasy.
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Actually it is a term not used to justify the wars in any manner at all. It is a term used to vilify those who conducted it. Period.

TheMercenary 02-02-2010 09:49 AM
Bush was a puppet.

http://earthhopenetwork.net/bush%20a...ppetmaster.jpg

This was better.

TheMercenary 02-02-2010 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 631708)
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His comments were made within the 4 days after Sept 11, 2001.

We went into Iraq March 20, 2003.

xoxoxoBruce 02-02-2010 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 631697)
I base it more on an administration whipped into a frenzy over 9/11 and a series of intell failures. If you read Woodward's books on the issue there was a combination of serious intell slip ups, an over zelous CIA director, who to this day still has failed to accept responsibility for his part in pulling the trigger, and and a president who was a puppet of his staff. Many of us doubted his decision to go to war in Iraq and the majority of the people around me at the time knew we were taking our eye off the ball in diverting the attention away from the Afgan Theater.
Whipped into a frenzy, then perpetrated a halfassed retaliation in Afghanistan, maybe? But they had two years to figure out what was to be gained from attacking Iraq, and that was strategic position and natural resources. Plus Haliburton wasn't making squat in Afghanistan, and troops are just an expendable resource, for politicians. They'll spend your kid, to grow their wealth.

TheMercenary 02-02-2010 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 631744)
Whipped into a frenzy, then perpetrated a halfassed retaliation in Afghanistan, maybe?
Half assed? You have to be kidding. That was a one sided fight all the way, there was nothing half assed about it other than us pulling out to refocus on Iraq.

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But they had two years to figure out what was to be gained from attacking Iraq, and that was strategic position and natural resources.
So you think the whole UN thing, the failed weapons inspections, and intell stating they had WMD was nothing more than a ruse?

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Plus Haliburton wasn't making squat in Afghanistan, and troops are just an expendable resource, for politicians. They'll spend your kid, to grow their wealth.
Any thought that we went into Iraq for Haliburton is Conspiracy Theory and unsupported by the facts. If you have something to show me to the contrary I will be glad to read it.

Happy Monkey 02-02-2010 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 631764)
Half assed? You have to be kidding. That was a one sided fight all the way, there was nothing half assed about it other than us pulling out to refocus on Iraq.
That would be halfassed enough, even if there were nothing else.
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So you think the whole UN thing, the failed weapons inspections,
The weapons inspections didn't fail; they correctly found no weapons.

TheMercenary 02-02-2010 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 631773)
That would be halfassed enough, even if there were nothing else.
I would expect your opinion on that issue to be nothing less.

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The weapons inspections didn't fail; they correctly found no weapons.
I agree. And if you read Scott Ritters book you can read more details about it. Maybe you forgot about the failed intell summary by CIA Director George Tenet , "Slam Dunk!".

Happy Monkey 02-02-2010 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 631774)
I would expect your opinion on that issue to be nothing less.
Wandering away with the job half done is the very definition of half-assed.

TheMercenary 02-02-2010 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 631780)
Wandering away with the job half done is the very definition of half-assed.
We didn't wander away until Iraq came into the picture. As I stated earlier, up to that point we were doing a good job. And once we did refocus on Iraq it then became a big mistake, just about a year later.

classicman 02-02-2010 01:53 PM
A-stan is and probably always will be a clusterfuck.

Happy Monkey 02-02-2010 01:57 PM
Iraq only came into the picture after a concentrated effort - during the Afghanistan invasion - by the Bush Administration to bring Iraq into the picture. And once they succeeded in that, they left Afghanistan a halfassed job.

TheMercenary 02-02-2010 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 631788)
Iraq only came into the picture after a concentrated effort - during the Afghanistan invasion - by the Bush Administration to bring Iraq into the picture. And once they succeeded in that, they left Afghanistan a halfassed job.
I don't disagree. My point was up to that point we were doing a great job, better than any military force up to that point, and with the fewest of troops on the ground. It was a historically successful military operation.

classicman 02-02-2010 02:39 PM
War is like a box of chocolates . . .
http://t.foto.radikal.ru/0706/9b/8c795d7e6b8a.jpg

Happy Monkey 02-02-2010 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 631792)
I don't disagree. My point was up to that point we were doing a great job, better than any military force up to that point, and with the fewest of troops on the ground. It was a historically successful military operation.
I'm sure the troops did as well as they could, but the administration sent them in with those "fewest of troops", and expended all their effort on starting a different war. I know that I (and I expect that Bruce) intended to attribute all of the halfassedness of the invasion on the administration.

Pie 02-02-2010 03:04 PM
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You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia."


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