Forget it lumber. Just go ahead and crack all the jokes you like...and stick up for those that do too. That's your right. It's also my right to express how I feel about things posted here which is what I did.

Spex didn't seem to have a problem with it. You do. Maybe you need to consider why you think it's wrong for me to ask people to be more thoughtful about this particular subject.

To answer your question. If someone asked me to refrain from speaking about a certain subject because it caused them discomfort then I don't think I'd have a problem with it, however, there are very few subjects that cause quite the same types of feelings in women as rape does.

No offense to you lumber, but you're not a woman, so I entirely accept that you don't understand the point.

This all comes back to something I say a lot.
Freedom always comes at one cost. You will be around other's expression of their freedom. They will partake of freedoms you will not choose to. Some will make you uncomfortable, some will not.
That is part of the package.
Truth is freedom is not for everyone... I am starting to think it is for very few.

I think there's a difference here rkz. If people want to discuss the issue and speak the truth then that's one thing and can be beneficial to all.

Anyway, you can all just forget I said anything.

I find it interesting that no women have commented on the subject. Only men who feel their freedom is being impinged upon.

I was talking about gun ownership. It is our right. If someone does not like it they don't have to own one.
Geez, everyone has to make shit about them.

should we then stay away from everything that might offend anyone of us? If i said to you that the mention of heart attacks makes me extremely uncomfortable, would you avoid that topic? it wasn't even a rape joke. it was a word joke.

Forget it lumber. Just do what you want.

sorry about the redundant posts. when i posted the reply initially, it had me logged off, and i didn;t think it went through. then, when i re-did it, i found that they had both made it.

and i will do whatever i want. having said that, i have no desire to make rape jokes in the first place. just don't expect everyone to change who they are because of something bad that happened to you.

you probably think i'm a dick now. sigh.

No, that's not what I think lumber.

Of course not. He's a cock, not a dick.

Are you two ignorant or just lacking creativity? Don't walk down a dark alley, don't travel in high crime neighborhoods, avoid trouble, walk away from an antagonist, secure your home. If you do these things, you won't be a victim AND you won't have to kill someone. In fact you won't need a gun at all!

Wolf is waiting for you to check in.

Did you read the news article? The f-ing moron was waving a gun around at a children's game. Who the fuck packs heat to a pee wee football game?

I wonder if you'd be singing a different tune if he'd let a few rounds go into the stands and took out a couple of kids. Not too small a price to pay for our freedom? As a father I'm astounded that you don;t find his behaviour at least a little questionable. I think it isn't just the felons, but the mentally and emotionally unstable who might serve the general population better by not owning guns.

That's why I don't own one. I'm not a felon, but my friends tell me I'm crazy.

After you.

Spexx, your responses and posts in all this demonstrate you are not rational on this topic. Hip deep in denial is a bad place to be if you don't want personal trouble with crocodiles.

A true, holistic approach to the troubles caused by evil behavior goes all the way up, legitimately, to countervailing violence. You do not possess a true, holistic approach.

MaggieL is in this thread, on my side of the fence. Her views are made abundantly clear, and in some volume.

Bad things don't only happen in bad neighborhoods.

I am an absolute proponent of personal freedom and the right to keep and bear arms.