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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 832434)

I hope V has researched the different kinds of "pipes".
e.g., Steel vs black iron, especially the part about leaks at the connections, etc.

I just saw that link. Missed that post before.

As a DIY, I find links like that incredibly frustrating. It actually makes me a little angry. It's obviously written by someone who has no idea what they are talking about. It reads like an essay question on a test where the student doesn't remotely know the answer and just breaks out the shovel and starts tossing the manure.

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There are the ever-present pipes underneath the sink or ones leading to the hot water heater. However, an in-depth look behind the walls and underneath the ground reveals that there are enough pipes to wrap around the house several times. There are HPVC, PVC, black iron and steel pipes leading everywhere.

Really? There are pipes under the sink and in the wall too? Holy shit! That's helpful. I think it's the use of "ever-present" that annoys me the most. It's just stupid filler. The pipes damn well better be ever present. You wouldn't want them getting up and walking away.

They list some pipes they have heard about, but don't mention galvanized, copper, or newer pex, which together, probably make up 90% of the plumbing out there in existing homes.

Not helpful at all.

Yes, brief and superficial, but my reference was to this part of the article...

Repairing

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• The main problem with black iron pipe
--especially in the home--is leakage at connector spots.
It requires a lot of work to fix these leaks,
which is why many people no longer use black iron pipes.

Steel pipes do not have that problem because it is most often welded.
However, it is more expensive than black iron pipes or PVC.

Yeah. That's even worse. Domestic plumbing pipes are never welded. I don't know what they are talking about there. It's like they are comparing 10% of domestic plumbing situations with some industrial plumbing they heard of. And then they talk about fencing. Fencing! Like someone is maybe going to plumb their house with a bunch of fence posts. They say most houses today use PVC pipe. Ok. That's an actual fact they are giving, but PVC is most commonly used for the waste water pipes, not for the supply pipes. So that makes me wonder if they are talking about old cast iron sewer pipes.

It's just a jumble of poorly organized random bits of incomplete information.

They don't mention copper or pex anywhere in the whole article. Copper was king for a long time and is being phased out because of the cost, but is being replaced by pex (at least around here.) Neither are acceptable for gas, where the materials used by BigV are appropriate.

Peace.

I was getting a little worked up there. :o

Oh, you men and your pipes, what are we going to do with you?

;)

thanks Lamplighter for your concern. respectfully, I've found little good information from ehow.com. Even though that link says there could be leaks at the seams, another "black pipe" link on that very page says black pipe is preferred for gas because of its seamless construction. ehow just isn't very consistent or reliable in my experience.

For a project like this, I had two main research goals: one, to figure out how to do the project and two, to figure out what sources of information were reliable. I wind up doing both simultaneously. As I learn more about the how and why of the job, I can better judge the quality of the source of information. I consult lots of websites, my friends, clerks/salespeople in stores, not to mention my own eyes. In my basement, the gas comes into the house via iron pipe, for example.

I *did* read the article at your link, and a handful of others spawned from that link, so, thank you. Not all of ehow.com is junk, it just seems like it's been gathered and collated by a robot from aaaalll over the place.

Thanks again friends. :)

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In my basement, the gas comes into the house via iron pipe, for example.

Mine too...

Just as in your set up, when we had our old "octopus" gas furnace replaced,
I asked that a gas line be extended so we could eventually add a gas water heater.
They used black iron pipe, and terminated it with a shut-off valve.
The workmen told they always used "black iron" pipes for natural gas.

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 832809)

I suppose. I mean, we let Canada be a country.

Kidding. I kid.

Since when did America's hat become a country?
:D

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 832847)

Oh, you men and your pipes, what are we going to do with you?

;)

c'mere. let me show you.

(no hobo's were harmed in this post)

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Originally Posted by plthijinx (Post 833308)

c'mere. let me show you.

(no hobo's were harmed in this post)

No, but one apostrophe was brutally abused. ;)

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 832844)

Peace.

I was getting a little worked up there. :o

Rightly so, a quarter of that link was wrong, a quarter misleading, and the other half missing. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by plthijinx (Post 833308)

c'mere. let me show you.

(no hobo's were harmed in this post)

How did I miss this before? You wily plt, you. :p:

Could go into the What Is This thread, but it's here, so there.

I have occasionally seen this kind of display at the top of my browser, some chinese looking text that floats above the tabs, but can't be "touched" by my mouse pointer.

Any ideas what the fuck is going on here?

Looky:
Attachment 50053

For a long time Google thought I spoke Portuguese. It kept asking if I wanted to translate to Portuguese. I don't know why.

That looks kind of toolbar-ish. I wouldn't care for that. WTF?