True 'dat. You'll have a bigger impact on which way the country goes by voting carefully for your senators and congressmen and communicating with them frequently. They seem to be more honest if they know you're watching.

THAT is the point. We agree. Now how do we tell the masses that at nearly every lecture by either one of those two clowns (Obama and McCain) that everytime they open their mouths and say, "I am going to get you affordable health care for all the uninsured.", or "I am going to tax the large Corps" or "I am going to get you relief from your mortage foreclosure.", that it is all BS. None of them CAN DO ANYTHING. Only Congress can do it and there are few bills that make it to law that are not filled with pork or have not been significantly altered due to the influence of lobbiests and special interest groups working the elected officials over. Nothing can be done without CONGRESS. Who becomes president is actually not nearly as important as who runs congress.

Here's my prediction of the election results.

With some exceptions (e.g. Florida, Kansas), I think it will break down approximately like this:
Confederate states = McCain
Union states = Obama
Union territories = McCain
http://americancivilwar.com/pictures...uth_states.gif

Doesn't require a turban. These are religious zealots; it's already a holy war to them.:headshake

Of course she didn't. The mayor doesn't bill rape victims for the cost of the forensic evidence collection. What the mayor does do is appoint the police chief, Charlie Fannon, after firing his predecessor. Then Charlie Fannon, chief of police, does this:
Let the record show that this is an example of the rare and precious "executive experience" that Sarah Palin, alone among all four candidates for executive office in this national race, can claim.

Of course, mere Senators can only claim to work on legislation, crafting laws, supporting some, opposing others. Like in 2005 when the Congress passed a law requiring states to provide rape exams free of charge or reimburse victims their costs. This is all the Senators running for executive office can claim on the subject:
From here.

For what its worth From Here

As usual it all depends upon who's Kool Aid you are drinking.

I've found the same headlines. This one is less obviously wrong, but more importantly wrong. My objection goes to the proposition that "the evolution question" even has a side that creationism can represent.

I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll just say this: Someone who says the evolution question deserves to include creationism doesn't know what they're talking about. It is a ridiculous mixing of two valid independent subjects of inquiry. But they have no business being compared by the same criteria. You might as well have this. I would add a fifth complaint, that it's impossible to scientifically measure, by weight a person's religious beliefs.

Discuss, sure. Gain information, I'm all for it. Treating creationism as a scientific subject, preposterous.

These people look like people I might run into at my gorcery store. Just normal folk.

..And ~50% of the country voted for Dubya the second time around. :3_eyes:

Ok, let's compare Kool Aid recipies, shall we? I would contend that USA Today is more neutral than NewsBusters.org

From Newsbusters.org 's about us page:
This is Rumors and Truth material, not Non Partisan Sanity Check material. Consider the source!

So, let's go to the original document for all these stories, written long before Palin became a shooting star.

Look at the facts presented here. Palin was mayor of Wasilla at the time. The sitting police chief was fired by her and replaced with Charlie Fannon. That's *her* guy making the quotes above. She chose him, using her executive experience. He's implementing her vision of what Wasilla should be. That's not Kool Aid. That's bedrock fact.

Let's look at what he said. He says he's opposed to the new law. And, insultingly, says that the criminal should pay for the cost as part of the sentencing. That's brilliant. Assuming you get a conviction. As the father of a daughter, I **DEFINITELY** don't want her raped, and, god forbid she is raped, that she's billed for the police work to prosecute the criminal. EVEN IF THE F*CKER GETS AWAY WITH IT. Come on, Fannon is ready to bill the criminal upon conviction? What if he's not convicted? The "victim" is billed? gtfoh.

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I wonder how this compares with evidence collection procedures for other crimes.

Did you get a bill from the state patrol for battery usage on their radar gun?

The point of this is that it matters not about her ability to qualify for the position of VP. People love to make a big deal out of this very hazy quite debatable event. What is the fear? she is going to mandate some change to the Constitution? She is going to mandate teaching of Intelligent Design in our schools? People said the same things about Kennedy and his religious affiliation with the Catholic church. She has no power as VP to do anything. Even as president the wedge issues like gay marriage have no merit. These are all states rights issues. Presidents don't make the law.

Ok what you have done here is what most of the liberal press have done and tried to make a lose association between what her "choosen" chief said and what she actually said or did. That is at least, like most of the press has reported, misleading, actually I think it is total and utter BS. Her chief said it. Not her. Blaming the comments of the chief as if they were her policy is stupid. Hell if every mayor in any major city could control the comments of the police chief they would have them all on a string like a puppet. That isn't going to happen.