IF THE MAN DOESN'T WANT THE RISK OF A WOMAN ABORTING HIS CHILD, HE SHOULDN'T PUT HIS COCK IN IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

LOL... touchy.
That goes both ways, if she does not want to share the responsibility of having a child WITH a man she needs to keep her legs closed.

if more women would swallow, we wouldnt have this problem!

Wow! He D'int....ohmigod he fuckin did!

rk. honey ya know I loves ya loads but really you are soundin pretty fuckin ugly right now.

rkz, that's the point. And I"m not touchy, I'm just having a problem with the fact that you seem to think this is an ideal world where men really do want to take sole responsibility for their children concieved with women they obviously have no respect for. I say obviously because if there is mutual respect between two parties, that means they should be able to come to some mutual consensus between themselves. They shouldn't have to 'go and tell tales' just so they can get their own way.

Of course there are some men who love to take responsibility for their children, and they're usually the ones in stable relationships where issues like this are solved without the need to bring laws into it.

I am still reeling from the fact that a guy can seriously be breathing the air of this particular century and still think he has the right to final veto over 'his' woman's body. Whether or not there are hordes of guys ready and waiting to take full responsibility for unexpected children, frankly, is by the by. Whilst it's in my fucking belly, it's part of me. The only person who gets to make decisions about my body is me.

While I still agree with that point Dana, I do believe that different decisions are made based on the level of importance of the relationship between the man and the woman. Women will give more consideration to the mans wishes if they feel cared for as a person and not simply as an incubator.

Of course they will. I cannot imagine making such a decision without taking his view into account. Taking him into account and agreeing to have an abortion are two very different things. They may, or may not coincide.

Not only that but a very brutal power struggle would result as well since they both feel like they are being controlled by the other.

If the woman wants an abortion and the man doesn't let her, she will be more likely to take the matter in her own hands.

Then, if she does get an illegal abortion, the man will feel insulted by her defying his decision. Then an arms race power struggle will ensue, most likely greatly hurting both their lives.


A power struggle can start, clearly shown here, if a woman initially wants an abortion and is able to get one without the consent of the man but it will be no where as bad since no one is actually physically forcing their control over the other.

the men have the nukes. but i'm pretty sure the women have WMD's. We may have to go into a few foxholes and search for them.

No, they shouldn't, if they don't want to. They can do whatever they want concerning their own personal health care. You don't like it, too bad.

If men feel so strongly about the fate of their sperm, they should maybe go for a vasectomy, or practise abstinence

Thank you for that, clearly shows the attitude I knew was there.

And here.