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Originally Posted by jinx
Right on, Buster.

Does anyone else completely tune people out once they start throwing around "you conservatives" or "you liberals" as an argument?

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 337925)

Yes.

Agreed.

Yup, with you all on that.
Can we include "you fascists" too please? :)

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I feel it's wrong because that's the way the society in which I was raised feels. I would not try to change them anymore than I would allow them to change me to their way of thinking.

I don't buy that--you try to change people's minds on here all the time. Okay, some of us are from the same society, but you've discussed things with Brits and Aussies too, and worked to convince them of what you believe. Hell, your whole position on the gun topics is that taking a life is an inherently horrible thing, even if it's a criminal's life. You have a strong sense of right and wrong, Spexx, which means you can't be a complete moral relativist.

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I maintain that if left alone, unsocialized, we would not hesitate to kill one another in order to eat and procreate. Think about how a three year old acts. If another kid has a toy that he wants, he'll walk over and bop the kid and take the toy.

You seem to be getting hung up on the idea that we are innately aware of these natural rights and will always act on them. Obviously that's not true. But if it's wrong to arbitrarily kill a child--if it's wrong to kill a thief trying to steal your chewing gum--then you have already recognized that that person has an inherent right to live. That right supercedes all societal conventions, unless you believe in total moral relativism.

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 338127)

Actually it makes everyone safer, even when gun owners don't intervene. When criminals don't know who has guns or who doesn't it makes them less likely to commit crimes.

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

There might be a few criminals who'd consider that, but I wouldn't bank on it as fact for a reason to own a gun. If it were, there'd be much less crime everywhere.

There is where there are concealed carry laws. That's been proven in every state that has enacted them.

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao (Post 338346)

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

There might be a few criminals who'd consider that, but I wouldn't bank on it as fact for a reason to own a gun. If it were, there'd be much less crime everywhere.

You are welcome to post a sign on the front of your house indicating your distate for firearms and that you are weapon-free and see how you fare against a non-posted house.

Why, thanks, wolf.

It'd be hard to do though, considering I live in a condo building. Maybe I could hang a sign out my window, see what happens.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 338348)

There is where there are concealed carry laws.

Except Philadelphia, apparently.

Actually, the problem in Philadelphia is that they so heavily regulate concealed carry permits that it's virtually impossible to get one, unless you are politically connected. Although the rest of the state operates as it's supposed to, as shall-issue, Philadelphia is effectively may-issue.

It can't be that impossible--there are a lot of permit holders in Philly.

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Originally Posted by Phil (Post 338154)

youre all too scared to even demonstrate against your governments, and you cant say "suicide" on TV. :rolleyes:

Source?

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Originally Posted by Phil (Post 338065)

its just that America is paranois as fuck, just because you have an old piece of paper that says you have the right to bear arms doesnt mean you should.

HA! :fumette:

Good point. I say we ship them all to the IRA. :D

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao (Post 338346)

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

There might be a few criminals who'd consider that, but I wouldn't bank on it as fact for a reason to own a gun. If it were, there'd be much less crime everywhere.

Really? Perhaps you can tell me why in 100% of the states that have allowed concealed permits to be obtained by regular people (non-cops) crime has decreased dramatically?

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Originally Posted by Phil (Post 338153)

sibjects?! this isnt the fuckin 1800's. :rolleyes:

No, but that's the kind of government they still have.

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 338426)

Really? Perhaps you can tell me why in 100% of the states that have allowed concealed permits to be obtained by regular people (non-cops) crime has decreased dramatically?

Another big fat HA! Stop making sense. You are making way to much sense for this place.

Pass me some ammo...