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Flint 12-08-2006 11:12 AM

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"forward speed"
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Originally Posted by Flint
Relative to what? Not stated.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
If it's not stated, then it's relative to where it was and nothing else.

The surface it's on, or the surface next to the surface it's on? Not stated.

glatt 12-08-2006 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint
It is simpler to have one point-of-view. But the question doesn't state which one. It's unanswerable.

OK. It's simpler to have one point of view.

Are you saying the question is written from one single point of view?

xoxoxoBruce 12-08-2006 11:17 AM

No, if it's not stated you can't chose what to relate it to, that's adding to the question. It can only be relative to where it was if it moved, which the question states it did. :litebulb:

Flint 12-08-2006 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
"where it was"

It was on the treadmill.

Flint 12-08-2006 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt
Are you saying the question is written from one single point of view?

Ask the question. The point is: The question can only be what it is, nothing more.

skysidhe 12-08-2006 11:24 AM

It dosn't matter what the speed is because it is 'matched' by the treadmill. There is an equal and opposite momentum.


That's what the question said.

...> It the treadmill is made to match the forward speed of the plane, only in the opposite direction.

Happy Monkey 12-08-2006 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint
The question does not define "forward speed" in a way that makes the question answerable.

It doesn't have to. Only one of the interpretations is physically possible. Reality isn't an additional assumption.

Flint 12-08-2006 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey
Only one of the interpretations is physically possible.

The question doesn't ask you to explain how the hypothetical treadmill accomplishes what is stated.

Happy Monkey 12-08-2006 11:33 AM

Occam's razor.

I choose not to include a magic treadmill.

Torrere 12-08-2006 11:34 AM

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As Flint is saying, there are two different ways to look at the problem. I think that scenario #1 is difficult to achieve in the real world.

Happy Monkey 12-08-2006 11:40 AM

Scenario #1 is not possible. That is something that you have to factor in to the question. Like a math proof, if you follow one assumption, and it leads to a contradiction, you can eliminate that possibility.

Flint 12-08-2006 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey
I choose not to include a magic treadmill.


Spexxvet 12-08-2006 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LabRat
...Dear Cecil:
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Ok, first of all, don't ask Cecil. Beanie may know the answer, but Cecil won't


http://www.cartoondepot.com/pages/im...0&%20Cecil.jpg

Now, concerning Labrat's ass ... I mean bicycle analogy, one thing is missing. The airport moving walkway would speed up to counteract the push that you give the bike.

glatt 12-08-2006 11:58 AM

I'm so out of this thread once it passes the 200th post. mark my words.

SteveDallas 12-08-2006 12:02 PM

I'm so tempted to make six consecutive posts, but I'll be nice and leave it at one.


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