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milkfish 12-30-2006 09:49 AM
Well, now Ken Lay isn't the most junior celebrity in Hell any more.

Radar 12-30-2006 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla
He's swung; another milestone passed, and the world shithead count is down by one. It will be emphasized that Iraqis, Saddam's most numerous victims (a butcher's bill of about a million and a half offed for unpopular political opinions, a hanging offense with dictators everywhere, and quite outside Iraqi military casualties, also extensive), were the ones who took him out. Mutterings about the U.S. pulling the strings are, in the end, of no consequence.

Ba'athist spokesmen have threatened to... continue behaving as badly as before should Saddam be hanged.
The death of Saddam does absolutely nothing to legitimize this cluster fuck of an illegitimate, unconstitutional, unwarranted, and idiotic war. Saddam was never a danger to America, but George W. Bush is.

DanaC 12-30-2006 12:21 PM
I find the timing quite interesting. If the Iraqi 'state' is so interested in seeing justice done.....then why not postpone his execution to allow the continuation of the already opened trials he still faced?

Griff 12-30-2006 12:29 PM
Because there is a good chance he'd be freed in the coming collapse.

Beestie 12-30-2006 03:08 PM
I don't have anything to add.

I just wanted to use this smilie.

:behead:

Aliantha 12-30-2006 05:55 PM
Some people view the hanging of this man as a legitimization of their efforts in the war they started in his country.

It has been a failure. Nobody has been fooled - except the ones who've been wearing blinders from the start.

Beestie 12-30-2006 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Aliantha
Some people view the hanging of this man to legitimize their efforts in the war they started in his country.
And some don't. Speaking strictly for myself, I'm glad to see him dangle from the end of a rope. I'd feel the same if we had never set foot in his stinking country.

Aliantha 12-30-2006 06:20 PM
Hmmm...I've just noticed my terrible grammar in my above post.

I think I might go back and edit.

Beestie, there's plenty of people who feel the same way you do also.

As I stated at the begining of this thread, I disagree with the death penalty on principal, and in this case, I think it's been a pointless excercise anyway.

Undertoad 12-30-2006 06:59 PM
I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people Saddam unceremoniously offed agree with you.

Elspode 12-30-2006 07:40 PM
Saddam was bad, m'kay? Now that we've done him in and avenged the many thousands who suffered under his iron fist, we need to figure out if we're going to be able to further help stabilize the region, or if our presence is just making it worse.

These people have been killing each other for a long time. They aren't going to stop simply because we've set up a democratic government. Sooner or later, that government is going to have to go to work on its own.

That probably won't happen as long as they have oil, though, huh?

JayMcGee 12-30-2006 08:00 PM
"Now that Saddam has been judiciously hanged by his peers, I for one an confidant that the whole Middle East situation will settle down and come round to our way of thinking"


which is the sort of thing GW would say if only he could string more than two words together.....

Aliantha 12-30-2006 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Undertoad
I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people Saddam unceremoniously offed agree with you.
I don't think this is a good argument UT. For one thing, it can too easily be turned against you by citing other genocides which the US (and other western nations) have refused to enter into because they've had nothing to gain from it.

Also, killing him once doesn't really count for all the people who were killed under his regimen. To add to that, once he's gone, there'll just be another to take his place.

Killing the bad guys doesn't rid the world of evil.

Aliantha 12-30-2006 08:23 PM
You could be right though. Maybe the families of the victims are happy he's dead, but I'll bet you a million to one they'd have prefered to do it themselves.

Elspode 12-30-2006 08:41 PM
In a sense, they did do it themselves, as long as they accept and support the newly installed government. Could be a unifying factor on one hand, and the cause of new and more intense bloodshed on the other.

Undertoad 12-30-2006 08:47 PM
I don't care what America's interests are. In this case I speak as a earthling and a human. I'm against the death penalty. But there are some things I'm even more against.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_Campaign

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_shredder


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