My error, correcting

Collectivist!

Of course everybody has their own perspective on the proper function of government, don't they?

It must be ereassuring for you to never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever admit to being incorrect.

I would kill someone to avoid being killed myself or to defend my family from being killed, but I sure would think first about how to RUN AWAAYYY (monty python) because I would really hate to kill someone and have that on my conscience but also because explaining it, defending my actions, and basically trying to fix the problem caused by having killed someone would be such a royal pain.. I'd rather avoid that.

I've admitted it on as many occasions as I'm aware of having been incorrect. Sorry that getting caught misquoting upsets you so much you have to wave a red herring around.

There's little point in having laws if there's no way to enforce them...which is what much urban crime is demonstrating. If beleving in the US Constitution (read the preamble again) makes me a collectivist, then I'm guilty. But there's plenty of *real* collectivists here on the Cellar.

Did Seldon say it? I thought it was a politician later in the series, Salvor Hardin. Though I wouldn't be surprised if one of the prequels had Seldon "pre-say" it later on.

Which is the origin of the expression "I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six."

That's the attribution I have seen most often. While I have read a fair amount of Asimov (I have a personally autographed copy of "Opus 100"), I confess I never got far into the Foundation books without falling asleep.

But I do know my Heinlien.

I've read the whole series and I do believe that HM is correct, the saying appeared on a sign in Mayor Hardin's office.

A red herring would be to comment on a signature line in the middle of a debate about guns. That's real hard to grasp, though, isn't it, for a hypocrit.

Rkzen, when a man's knowledge of gun rights is as inadequate as tw's is, there's a reason for it. This man tw, for his own twisted reasons, is trying to get people killed -- people who don't need to die. That's immoral, and it's stone evil.

"People" includes you and me.

Name calling is the least I can do! When tw acts that loathesomely, that consistently, and someone else calls him on it and tells him what kind of creature he's become -- there are grounds somehow to object?

Therefore, I protest at your protestation. In other circumstances, you'd be right; this isn't one of them.

Really? Please enlighten me as to what it accomplishes?

Not when the sig purports to address the issue at hand.

My draw with a peacemaker is very fast, but not that fast. Of course I never had the benefit of having my film sped-up.

Hey, I could do that....I'm good at being slapped. :D