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xoxoxoBruce 01-07-2013 11:09 AM

OMG Sam, how did you avoid becoming a statistic. :eek:

IamSam 01-07-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 846833)
OMG Sam, how did you avoid becoming a statistic. :eek:

Hah! It wasn't easy. I'm still hanging out here at the bottom of the fiscal cliff out in Island in the Sky Nat'l Park. It's a sunny morning, but cold!

classicman 01-07-2013 07:01 PM

Hahahaha I <3 Bruce!

Perhaps dear Ibster, we could address the issue in those VERY SPECIFIC "highly localized" areas and leave the VAST MAJORITY or the rest of the fucking country alone.
Just a thought.

Ibby 01-07-2013 07:04 PM

show me a way to reduce gun crime without affecting people in areas with gun crime that isn't, for example, the sort of handgun bans already in place in many cities that NRA types also scream and holler about.

piercehawkeye45 01-07-2013 07:11 PM

Better schools and economic opportunities? :D

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Originally Posted by Classicman
Perhaps dear Ibster, we could address the issue in those VERY SPECIFIC "highly localized" areas and leave the VAST MAJORITY or the rest of the fucking country alone.
Just a thought.

I could be wrong but the vast majority of guns used in these types of areas are illegal, therefore banning guns will probably not work without changing the gun culture in that region. From the data, I'm not convinced that handgun bans in D.C. or Chicago really had an effect.

Personally, I think regulating access to legal guns and harsh penalties on illegal guns is the only policy that may reduce gun violence without extremely harsh gun control (which may not work anyways...). However, in the end it is going to be gun culture (economic opportunity, etc.) not gun policy that is going to reduce gun violence in the US.

glatt 01-07-2013 07:14 PM

Local gun restrictions don't work. Guns are small and easily smuggled across local borders where there are no border controls. Border controls only exist on the national level, and that is the only level where gun restrictions have a chance of working.

piercehawkeye45 01-07-2013 07:19 PM

Considering the US is the largest exporter of legal and illegal guns, I don't think national gun control will work either. Seriously, where do you think most of the guns in Brazil and Africa come from?

classicman 01-07-2013 07:23 PM

Oh c'mon PH45, we stopped all those illegal drugs "just like that" by changing the laws. :right:
Heck, when was the last time you saw any coke or weed on campus? :eyebrow:

ZenGum 01-07-2013 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 846894)
Better schools and economic opportunities? :D


SOCIALIST!!!!! OMG!

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 846899)
Considering the US is the largest exporter of legal and illegal guns, I don't think national gun control will work either. Seriously, where do you think most of the guns in Brazil and Africa come from?

Well, you have to trade something for all those drugs. ;)

Seriously, want to reduce shootings? How about legalising all drugs?

xoxoxoBruce 01-07-2013 07:28 PM

They can have my guns. $24,000. Cash. I'll even throw in the ammo.
Then a couple hundred million people won't be paranoid anymore.

piercehawkeye45 01-07-2013 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 846902)
Oh c'mon PH45, we stopped all those illegal drugs "just like that" by changing the laws. :right:
Heck, when was the last time you saw any coke or weed on campus? :eyebrow:

I ain't see nuttin'. :joint:

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Originally Posted by Zengum
SOCIALIST!!!!! OMG!

No no no. You see, it was Romney that suggested that economic opportunities will reduce sex trafficking, therefore promoting economic opportunity it isn't socialist until Obama says it.

xoxoxoBruce 01-07-2013 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 846899)
Considering the US is the largest exporter of legal and illegal guns, I don't think national gun control will work either. Seriously, where do you think most of the guns in Brazil and Africa come from?

Probably the largest portion of the cheap imported guns are made in Brazil.

piercehawkeye45 01-07-2013 07:47 PM

Could be. I do know that a lot (not sure proportionally) of the "assault rifles" are shipped from US to Paraguay and then pass through an unregulated border with Brazil.

xoxoxoBruce 01-07-2013 07:59 PM

Yes but US made "assault rifles" are only used by good guys, the bad guys use AK's made in China and the former Soviet Bloc countries.

piercehawkeye45 01-07-2013 08:13 PM

Well that's what I heard. Could have been wrong or maybe there was some misinterpretation.


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