The ones you never get to read about in the papers. Here is a sample list of those publically known.

I do the history surrounding the eventual death and killing of Pablo Esocbar.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/IS...tlanticmonthA/

There is a short list of killed and captured on wiki which should be easily substantiated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Most_Wanted_Terrorists

1998 U.S. embassy bombings

http://www.indopedia.org/1998_U.S._e..._bombings.html

Abu Zubaydah

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terro...aydah_4-2.html

Abu Sabaya

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200703/bowden-jihad

Kaplan nails most of how and why to do it.

http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/i...2003-06-18.htm

Nice.

On the other hand, the CIA tried to kill Castro 26 times that we know of, including once with an exploding seashell (for Chrissakes).

Also, there's the mess with Allende.

So I'd say we're batting about .200. Not bad, but not Babe Ruth, either.

Well if we go back into the post ww2 era the list would have been much longer. I was trying to stay within the last 2 presidents times in office which included some of my servcie time.

???

The post WWII era was a series of unimaginable embarrassments for the CIA. Hell, the late 50s is when they got the nickname "Criminally Insane Activities" by the FBI.

There was no CIA in the immediate post WWII era. It was not formed until 47 and had no teeth till 48. The FBI called it that because it was based on inter-service rivalry and crossed into areas that were previously only handled by the FBI. In short they were jealous. For every major bungle there were 100's of successful operations.

So, what assassinations are we feeling proud of, between 1945 and 1948?

What assassinanations should we feel proud of under any conditions. You think the CIA was/is nothing more than an assassination squad? I assume this is a rehtorical question so you can bring up the point that the CIA, under the direction of the President, attempted or carried out an assissination or two. BFD. It was the time in history for that thing, like it or not, agree with it or not. What's your point?

No, I think the CIA fucks all kinds of things up. Cambodia and Laos, for example.

Naw. Before the 90s, the CIA was totally out of control. After that, it just tortured people.

Who gives a shit. Before 1960 all kinds of shit happened in the world. Let me guess, you actually have ancestors who were involved in some stupid crazy stuff before then. I blame them for the worlds ills.

I accept your surrender.

You fail.

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Outstanding.

Why Dana?

Go get 'em Merc. TGRR has no idea how shitheaded totalitarians are -- it's an occupational disease -- and the CIA has an intimate knowledge of just that very thing. As do the more honest sorts in State.

A hypothetical that TGRR cannot answer: just how fucked up would Laos have gotten without the presence of any communists within its borders? Would Cambodia have even risked loss of a fifth of its population if there were no communists there? Could the CIA have ruined either country?