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sugarpop 02-06-2009 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 530990)
Yea, well you could support ways to get us off the oil and gas teet of other countries or you could look in our own back yard to find a way to say "screw you" to those countries that depend on our dependence.

So we should mine and drill near our public lands and parks? yea, cause what I really want to see when I go to the Grand Canyon is fucking oil wells. Don't be such a tool Merc.

TheMercenary 02-06-2009 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 531444)
So we should mine and drill near our public lands and parks? yea, cause what I really want to see when I go to the Grand Canyon is fucking oil wells. Don't be such a tool Merc.

It is not about being a tool, it is about energy independence from other countries.

TGRR 02-06-2009 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 531468)
It is not about being a tool, it is about energy independence from other countries.


Blarg. Drill & cap. Keep buying their shit. When they run out, uncap the wells, use the oil, and watch the Saudis try to eat sand.

If they're dumb enough to trade oil for fiat currency, screw 'em.

sugarpop 02-07-2009 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 531468)
It is not about being a tool, it is about energy independence from other countries.

Then we should be developing alternatives, not doing the same old, same old. Besides ruining some of our most pristine/protected lands (that are for everyone to enjoy btw), it literally takes YEARS to open new drill sites/wells. We wouldn't be seeing any of that oil anytime soon.

If we simply must continue to use a combustion engine (which I would much rather go to electric cars, or cars run on compressed air), we should develop biofuel made from algae. We could develop it a LOT faster, it doesn't require a whole lot of space to do it, it could provide virtually all of our energy needs, and all kinds of different fuels can be made from it. It's clean. Producing it doesn't create all the pollution that comes from drilling. etc. etc. etc.

TheMercenary 02-08-2009 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 531777)
Then we should be developing alternatives, not doing the same old, same old. Besides ruining some of our most pristine/protected lands (that are for everyone to enjoy btw), it literally takes YEARS to open new drill sites/wells. We wouldn't be seeing any of that oil anytime soon.

If we simply must continue to use a combustion engine (which I would much rather go to electric cars, or cars run on compressed air), we should develop biofuel made from algae. We could develop it a LOT faster, it doesn't require a whole lot of space to do it, it could provide virtually all of our energy needs, and all kinds of different fuels can be made from it. It's clean. Producing it doesn't create all the pollution that comes from drilling. etc. etc. etc.

We have no choice but to do both. This country will still take 25 - 50 years to get off the use of fosil fuels, even it wanted to make a concerted effort to do so.

TGRR 02-08-2009 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 531878)
We have no choice but to do both. This country will still take 25 - 50 years to get off the use of fosil fuels, even it wanted to make a concerted effort to do so.

Better start now.

TheMercenary 02-08-2009 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 531935)
Better start now.

Never said we shouldn't. But we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water either.

TGRR 02-08-2009 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 532015)
Never said we shouldn't. But we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water either.

I hate babies.

TheMercenary 02-08-2009 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 532038)
I hate babies.

They actually taste good with some Glory Zesty Flavored Hot Sauce.

TGRR 02-08-2009 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 532041)
They actually taste good with some Glory Zesty Flavored Hot Sauce.


Gives me reflux.

TheMercenary 02-08-2009 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 532048)
Gives me reflux.

Take an H2 blocker like Prilosec, works wonders. Helps get the boney parts down.

sugarpop 02-08-2009 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 531878)
We have no choice but to do both. This country will still take 25 - 50 years to get off the use of fosil fuels, even it wanted to make a concerted effort to do so.

I don't buy it. If we really wanted to do it, we could accomplish it in a relatively short period of time. We just have to decide to really get behind it, and DO it.

xoxoxoBruce 02-08-2009 10:41 PM

Yeah, you people driving those 200,000,000 cars... turn 'em in to the government on Thursday. ;)

Happy Monkey 02-09-2009 11:10 AM

The vast majority of cars on the road will be "turned in" much sooner than 25-50 years, without any government intervention.

Shawnee123 02-09-2009 11:46 AM

Not mine. That's why I bought the Adobe.


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