Mercedes or Germany?

Mercedes or Germany?

Europe.

Cars do that without flipping over. But she was driving a vehicle so unstable as to often flip over. What is normal for everyone to do sometime in their life - left wheel goes off the left pavement edge - is only dangerous in vehicles that are also less safe in inclement weather.

Why is a vehicle designed for off road safer than one designed to not flip? Oh. An off road vehicle flipped because it went off road. Clearly the lady is at fault because she should have known how unsafe that truck is.

She only caught the left edge of the road. Only more dangerous vehicles would flip over and kill the kid. How curious. That flipping is most common in four wheel drives. So you blame the driver. How can that be if four wheel drive trucks are safer? If wheels that fight each other (as you admit they do) cause increased traction? Most dangerous vehicle moving down the highway in icy conditions is a four wheel drive. Its only advantage – getting started is easier. Even you admit its tires fight each other - increased tire wear. And now you say that makes it safer? Please. Eight years of George Jr logic was enough.

Reality does not change because tires that you say are fighting each other are also, you say, not fighting each other.

The truck flipped over and killed a kid because unstable flip even when only catching the edge of the road. A safe vehicle would not flip. So you blame the lady for doing what everyone at some time has done. Only unstable – as in more dangerous - vehicles flip. But that makes them saver on icy roads – your reasoning.

xoxoxoBruce - at this point I am only laughing at your spin. Tires that you say wear faster because they fight each other also so not fight each other. You are being comical - right?

Some cars do it, sometimes... So do SUVs, sometimes.
I'll let the readers be the judge of that, loser. :p:

I'm not sure how the subject changed from 4WD to rollover accidents, but here is the story:

http://montgomerynews.com/articles/2...1461385270.txt

It only specifies 2001 GMC and so it was probably the full-time AWD Sierra.

The crash happened at 8 in the morning so we are guessing all-nighter to get to FL for Xmas and the driver fell asleep.

But what lesson is there? Whilst searching for the story I found this crash story, in which the single driver does nearly the exact same thing: drives off the right hand side of the road, then over-corrects. And the vehicle, which is a 1997 Mercury, not a truck, does not roll over. Instead it flies into the median and hits a tree. Killing her instantly.

From my experience driving various vehicles, I would far rather be in the Sierra than the Mercury. And so would the occupants of the Sierra, none of whom were killed instantly (one died later), and one of whom left the scene without a scratch.

I'm guessing that if I were driving the Sierra I would not have over-corrected, but in the Merc I might have. The big bubble tires and high clearance on the truck mean you can handle being in the rough a little bit. I once nearly lost a Mazda 323, not because I drove it off the road, but off the 1" edge of an exit ramp. The skinny tires caught the edge and nearly pulled the wheel out of my hands due to FWD torque steer. Unsafe at any speed.

So why were failing Firestone tires causing so many rollovers and overcorrecting on big SUVs? And not on cars?

What makes crashes so deadly? Roll overs. Which vehilces roll over most because they are so danagerous? Four wheel drives that are too high, unstable, and that also have wheels fightinng each other. Facts are that SUVs are the most dangerous passenger cars. And need all kinds of additional safety equipment because they are so dangerous. The last vehicle an informed passenger wants to be in on icy roads is the four wheel drive. But that is not what most believe because a newsroom bimbo recommends four wheel drives.

Same newsroom bimbos also recommend those back saver snow shovels that are so bad for the back.

Car Guys were also discussing another SUV - a Jeep. Its steering so bad that a shock absorber must be attached. Without the shock absorber, the wheels can vibrate violently. Their conclusion was that Jeep's steering 'shock absorber' needed to be replaced.

No safe vehicle has such badly designed steering. Klick and Klack defined the Jeep's suspension as "barbaric". Of course. You don't buy such vehicles for safety. But it can be hyped 'safe' to those who know despite facts. They defined a Jeep' suspension and steering as barbaric.

So why is Obama black?

:) And these:

edit: I always thought something similar to the jerk glasses (crossed-eye effect) would happen with those shoes with the springs in them. In a couple years there would be an epidemic of people walking around all wobbly-spring-legged, like newborn foals.

No problem. Put magnets in those shoes. That will also cure cancer.

Without question, the most deadly aspect to all crashes, including rollover (involved in 33% of fatal crashes cite) is driver behavior.

Front page of local paper showed some woman standing next to her overturned 1 month old Jeep Cherokee, hands on her mouth in utter horror. What happened? Dumbass slid off the road, probably thinking her big old SUV could do ANYTHING. SUPERCAR. No one else was anywhere near her. She got what she deserved. I think about my two week old car being killed by some dumbass, not because I bought a car that was the woman's equivalent to a penis substitute, and I don't know how to fucking drive. I wish I knew who she was, so I could laugh in her face (not really but man this is a hot button.)

Truth of the matter: very rarely are there real "accidents." It's usually some dumbass who thinks they are the world's greatest driver, omnipotent in the driver's seat of some behemoth that slides on the ice just like every other fucking car on the road. Making everyone else's lives miserable: the families of the people they kill, the people they hurt, the cars they demolish, the cats they make wait at home because their owner won't get home from work for 2 hours because dickface made a sudden lane change and caused an "accident." Being drunk isn't the only cause for vehicular homicide. Good old ego and stupidity can take seats next to dumbass drunk.

I would say they occupy many more seats. They are the cause of many a motorcyclists death.

A cop once explained to me why SUV tailgate so aggressively. These drivers judge distance by how much you fill his windshield. If you car is below his hood, then you do not fill his windshield. So he gets closer.

18 wheelers are taught how to judge distance. And are held responsible for bad behavior. Rare is to have a 18 wheeler driving like an SUV. Two completely different attitudes.

And then that SUV driver 'feels' he is safer - to make things even worse.

But then Obama is black. Right?

Your generalizations betray your prejudice and ignorance.:rolleyes: