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wolf 07-23-2007 10:33 AM

From July 2007 Discover Magazine

yesman065 07-23-2007 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf (Post 366942)

Wow what a great article - I especially found this part compelling

"Yes, but you have to give the sun a role. If you include the sun in the right way, the effect of CO2 must be smaller. The question is, how much smaller? All we know about the effect of CO2 is really based on climate models that predict how climate should be in 50 to 100 years, and these climate models cannot actually model clouds at all, so they are really poor. When you look at them, the models are off by many hundreds percent. It’s a well-known fact that clouds are the major uncertainty in any climate model. So the tools that we are using to make these predictions are not actually very good."

xoxoxoBruce 07-24-2007 11:39 PM

This is the biggest whodunit, ever.

Squid_Operator 07-25-2007 12:21 AM

It's all part of normal temp flexuation. Weirder stuff was happening in the 1920s.

Urbane Guerrilla 07-28-2007 12:25 AM

Fluctuation.

Clodfobble 07-28-2007 09:24 AM

Fluc you white people too!

yesman065 07-28-2007 10:29 AM

Does this mean Al Gore can pack up, admit he was wrong, apologize to millions and go home now?

xoxoxoBruce 07-28-2007 01:17 PM

Not likely, considering we don't know that he's wrong, yet. Neither do we know if he's right. I suspect it's somewhere in the middle and I'd suggest we stop playing politics and redouble our(collective) efforts to find the truth.

If there is things that will truly help, make a significant difference, we should nail them down and implement them.... rather than siphoning off effort and money into feel good measures that are a waste.

yesman065 07-28-2007 03:04 PM

I agree that we should do what we can, but for him to make as many UNFOUNDED claims as he has is rediculous and he should be called out on them. If we, as a collective, can make a difference, then by all means let do it. But if we are having virtually no impact on the situation - why then should we spend time, energy and resources on something that we have no control over. That is an even bigger waste. Lets put those resources toward something we actually can do that will make a difference in the world.

Happy Monkey 07-28-2007 09:49 PM

All of his claims are well founded. Nothing in science is certain, but he does have good science on his side.

xoxoxoBruce 07-28-2007 11:06 PM

Since I didn't see his movie, I'll take your word for it. But that doesn't apply to all the rest of the claims I've seen presented in the press and on the net... even here in the (french horns) Cellar.

yesman065 07-29-2007 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 369186)
All of his claims are well founded. Nothing in science is certain, but he does have good science on his side.

His claims belong in the science perverted for politics thread. He has outdated rather poor science on his side. That has been discussed also - the facts as they are coming out show that his science did not take into account certain factors which negate his claims. Sun flares and the cloud issues are just two of them.

tw 07-29-2007 11:39 PM

From the July 2007 article in Discover Magazine:
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His studies show that cosmic rays trigger cloud formation, suggesting that a high level of solar activity—which suppresses the flow of cosmic rays striking the atmosphere—could result in fewer clouds and a warmer planet.
And then what five scientists from the recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change say in an August 2007 article in Scientific American entitled The Physical Science behind Climate Change:
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Suggestions that cosmic rays could affect clouds, and thereby climate, have been based on correlations using limited records; they have generally not stood up when tested with additional data, and their physcial mechanisms remain speculative.

yesman065 07-30-2007 12:23 AM

I'd really like to read either of your articles - could you correct the link go to the relative info/article please?

Happy Monkey 07-30-2007 12:51 AM

There's a search box on Scientific American. They won't give you the article for free, unfortunately.


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