...Okay, you know what? I'm giving up on Jordon. All my faith in humanity is shattered. Either he's a sick, sick joke, or a sick, sick, stupid person.

So, I read through all the posts (except tw's last one). That last post by Jordan just proves it: troll/flamebait. Don't feed the trolls please people, they bite and come back for more. In classic troll fashion, he posted pictures to poke fun at someone.

Hence me giving up on him.

Does anyone BESIDES Jordan want to try explaining the answers to the questions I asked that Jordan never actually answered?

Same here, though I have been asking them for years... gave-up on a reasonable answer long ago.
Homosexuals are people, some are Christian people who want to be married in the church and should be and no one has ever told me why that should not be in logical, Biblical, or any other terms that make any kind of sense.
Kids are dealing with same sex couples, so teaching that it exists is redundant, but it shows that their experience is communal, so they get to share it in a neutral environment, a good thing. Parents should be teaching them morals (unfortunately, sometimes, their morals) and that is how it should be. If they rely on the schools to do that for them, then that is their problem and they have no room to complain, and shame on them as well.
My .02.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Churches are (or should be) private institutions, and therefore can deny anyone from using their services. Marriage/civil unions shouldn't be regulated at all.

I kind of agree but not really.....Just as there are churches that refuse to accept gays (wrongly in my opinion but I hate the religiocrats and they can go fuck themselves and stick to their own) they should not be forced to marry them....HOWEVER There are churches that are happy to accept gay members, and they should not be forced not to marry them.

two people who love each other are being looked down on? how friggin ridiculous.

i can see it now- they get to the pearly gates, and god says "sorry. you loved another human being. you're going to hell." makes no sense.

with all the hatred in our world, love is always a good idea.

Wasn't apostle Paul a gay guy? yeah, I think there's evidence that he was...

but, I'm no fan of apostle Paul. Anyway, lots of people are gay. Who cares?

I just finished writing a song along those very lines, using almost exactly the same words. Peace and love are still a good idea, even if being a 'hippy' or a 'treehugger' or whatever is not 'cool'.

I know this argument has probably been brought up, but, like many white suburban kids raised in the late 60's/70's I was never exposed to other races or cultures. Black people did not feature in any of the books we read, they didn't go to our school and I never interacted with black people until I was in my 20's! Imagine my shock when I found out that they were a lot like myself! (and, I was shocked)--anyway, not mentioning black people in school didn't negate their existance in the world and I would have been much better off if I had known more about the whole thing.

Yeppers...long about here . I followed a bit further downthread with some Ginn Basic Readers covers that illustrated the point.

I do have to thank jordon for providing an opportunity to promote the Pink Pistols, and we'll be using his postings as a illustration to the hoplophobe liberals who pontificate that there's no need for the queer community to be concerned with self-defence because the world is so enlightened these days.

I skipped a bunch of the middle bits, sorry if this has been addressed.
re: semantics.

I'll speak from a Christian perspective (and anyone here can tell you I don't hate anyone, and I don't care which consenting adult you rub your genitals on). Bear with me, I have to do a little proselytizing as background info, but the point is coming up.

To us, homosexuality is a sin. It's no worse and no better than any other sin, but in my religion, it indicates separation from God's will. The difference between me (and those who believe as I do) and Phelps' hate brigade is that I think the bible says that everyone is a sinner. In fact, I'm sure it does. It also says that no one is righteous except Christ.

Kind of lumps us all in the same group, in my book. What makes believers and nonbelievers different isn't the frequency or severity of our sins. It's whether or not we think that Jesus was God's son, and whether or not his death paid the penalty that we would otherwise have to pay ourselves.

So. To me, there's is no disconnect between recognizing homosexuality as sin and being loving and kind to every person, regardless of their personal situation with God, which is really none of my business. However, for many of us, Christian or not, gayness seems wrong biologically and morally. Therefore, someone who tells our kids "it's not wrong, it's great. I don't care what your fairy tale book or grandma told you!" is not just sharing the fact of the existence of homosexuality. They are promoting a moral standpoint that also "feels" unnatural on a very deep level. The place for this is not in schools, as many of you have rightly pointed out. By the same token, no school should allow any kind of bigotry.

Where does an book about 2 gay princes fall into this? I'm torn. Children's books normally illustrate archetypes and big-picture kinds of concepts: princess gets saved from the dragon, Bobby learns to share, counting is fun, etc. etc. This one seems like its purpose is to make political hay.

I've been wrong before.

/experimented in college
//i was stoned
///this isn't fark, why am i using slashes?

Perhaps gay folk are being integrated into the archetype?

I know from fairy tales. Nasty, brutish and short. Ask me, baby, ask me. There is more homosexuality in traditional fairy tales than you (or the Great Sky God) will ever acknowledge.

PS also experimented as a 20 year-old. I like dudes. So what?

*actually, said with a sort-of pride--fairy tales are my specialty*

ON Jordans behalf, .... if he feels like an illicit lawful suite should be held by a tax paying citizen against the education system... Well he got a point.

Thank God, we paid our dues so this vile act could happen.



Of course this is hours later since my last post;
and I might have been dogged unmercifully henceforth; and not know what caddish restitution's might have befell me... (am too lazy to go past last two or three posts)

But
Like I tell the Jehovah Witnesses, when they saunter up to my front deck with my Beer and Bar B Que smoke-pit:
"Yeah, God is Good, God is Great,
... Now Get a Life and Integrate"

They never seem to share a beer with me, but they like my latest "the Inspirational Study Bible" (hardback) to ramble/argue about with,...

Almost as the Church of Christ do when I play Handles "Zadok the Priest' ... and ask for the great Church of Christ trombone or Organ composer that made the music they can't perform...

Mostly I love playing the Koran (and with each version followed by the English translation talking of gods love)

Funny, I haven't heard back from the Witnesses from 2005.


(sorry.... long tangent,... but it seems the most people with "Issues" are the ones who use "Profits of love" as their puppet masters
... Unfortunately,
it's not the Profits, but the Idiots with agendas, who are weak and need to suck profits under the guise of Ministers, Priests, and Laymen of having no real job in life, but to inflame.)

Kinda like politicians.


"7 years old"
almost too old to know that people can love people... Unless the big fucking deal is the teacher was reading a pornographic sexual description between two human beings...

Jesus loves the little children, all the children in the world, red and yellow black and white, they are precious in his site, jesus loves the little children of the world.

(the "world")

(I'm having a chat with noodle & MaggieL, this is a bizarro world indeed)

Thanks noodle for saving this thread from being a complete train wreck. I'm not sure whether the book is about making political hay or simply a sign of the times, it's pretty hard to tell to say the least. My guess is like many things the truth is somewhere in the middle.