Huh??:confused:

I think Quzah is saying that perhaps never having been born at all is preferable to having been born and subsequently eaten.

Oh, "better OFF existing".
Naw, we'll have to disagree on that. I think that cow is content with a couple years since it's not cognizent of any alternatives.

BTW Els, did you know 150 odd posts back there's a bird on your head?;)

And yet, you could inflict enough pain on someone for them to wish they'd never been born. At which point in time, in their mind, it would be better to have never been born.

Quzah.

That only applies to people. If cows think that way, they've never told me.

      For the record Quzah, a couple of pages back my point was that you had made the list for all of us. You were the only one that was in on that idea, so it shouldn't have made the list.
      To catch up now.       I agree with the statement as it stands, but are you suggesting that the cows are being put through that level of torment?

That's absurd. You're telling me you can't imagine an animal in so much pain that it would rather not be alive? Yes, this is slightly different than "not being born", but the end result is the same.

I didn't say they're being tormented. However, since you mention it; actually it's not worth the trouble. You're kidding yourself if you think slaughter houses and farms care that their animals are "happy".

The both of you are so intentionaly closed minded it's absurd. You justify whatever you need to. I really don't care.

Quzah.

Yup, and it is a meat-eating bird at that...

      Dude, first off, we've been no more insulting to you than you have been to us. That's the norm for the cellar. You've been here long enough to know that and deal with it. It's late so I'm just gong to assume you're tired.
      Now, no you didn't say tormented. You did suggested that they would "have enough pain inflicted to wish they'd never been born." I didn't say slaughter houses were happy places. I just don't think they take the time and effort to inflict the kind of pain you're talking about. It's much easier to kill an animal quickly and painlessly. Especially when they are as big as a cow.
      By the by, I lived by a dairy as a child, the man that owned the place made a point of keeping the cattle healthy with plenty of pature to roam and food to eat. What more does a cow need to be happy? Oh yeah, they had a couple of places to go for shelter against inclement weather, though they never did, not even in a hail storm. They really did seem, well content.

Closed mind only to your fantasy. Reality is always considered. You keep trying to convince me 1+1=3, and it's just not so.:)

I guess, as has been said here many times, it's all speculation. I myself don't have any solid beliefs about whether humans or other animals (or plants for that matter) have souls. I WANT to believe, though. ;)

I eat what I need to survive. If plants have souls, then I am very sorry. I'm not going to curl up and die because because plants have souls. (And I don't know about that fruitarian business, maybe I'll read up on it.)

And a lot of people will not stop eating meat on the speculation that animals might have souls.

I believe that I keep my soul healthy by feeding it with the souls of others.

Ah Ha! I knew it. UT has stolen our souls.
Did they taste like chicken?:confused: