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Pete Zicato 01-10-2011 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 704635)
There is no psychological test for gun ownership because that would be unthinkable. At some point in time there will be enough genetic markers found for schizophrenia that it can be tested for with a cheek swab. Until the time as such a test is affordable, we will have to wait.

Your argument is ridiculous. There are people being treated for schizophrenia right now. How were those people diagnosed? Do you think their doctors should wait for a genetic test?

If the Washington Times can already predict that the shooter is a nutcase, then the state could have known at the time he bought the gun.

skysidhe 01-10-2011 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 704658)
I'm sorry footfootfoot, I just can't do it. Even with an insult to respond to.

What's wrong with me?


More like, why are you addressing 3 foot?

And, don't throw self defeating statements to the wind.

You're just a damn nice guy.

classicman 01-10-2011 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 704692)
Classicman intentionally tried to post my personal information in order to encourage harm to me. If you did not know it, he was stopped by (I believe) UT. Why?

Total Lie - I spoke up because you made uncalled for, unfounded accusations of another posters wife being a "gonorrhea dripping whore." No one else was going to call you out for your bullshit, so I did.

And for your information, after you were banned for your emotional metdown, I contacted a mod and asked them to reconsider out of pity for your sorry existence of a life. Stick that in your Honda and drive it straight up your fat ass. (Too bad it isn't a 4WD)

FWIW - I didn't need to be stopped because I don't know who you are, nor do I want to.
Just so we are all clear on the facts, not simply your emotional delusions of reality.

DanaC 01-10-2011 09:37 PM

Shit got real

monster 01-10-2011 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 704669)
I see the problem with guns, is the same as with cars, most of the people that have them don't know how to handle them properly. Lack of knowledge, training and practice, under the assumption they are competent until they prove otherwise.

So, given that guns are here to stay, perhaps we should have gun-ed in school? And no, I'm not being facetious. Maybe then the non-gun-people would be less scared, the pro-gun-people would be less gung-ho and everyone would have a chance of handling weapons better in a crisis. just like driver's ed.

Driver's Ed is not a part of the curriculum in the UK, but cars are not such a big part of life. Having lived here a while, shocked as i still am about how young they can drive, I appreciate that it's considered a universal skill that should be part of schooling in many places. Maybe we should afford guns the same treatment.

lookout123 01-10-2011 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 704453)
Wow. Vaccinations did that much damage?

This is the kind of petty shit that made me realize the cellar isn't what it was. Maybe it is, but it certainly isn't the kind of place i need to spend the kind of time i once did. the fact statements are accepted and/or ignored says a lot about the evolution of the cellar. the issues don't matter so long as we can shit on a few people and regurgitate our well known position pieces, right?

skysidhe 01-10-2011 10:02 PM

you got it about right , seems so anyway

Nirvana 01-10-2011 10:10 PM

See I said this thread belonged in Politics ;)

Nirvana 01-10-2011 10:14 PM

BTW what a mug shot this guy has! YIKES! :eek:

http://www.globalpost.com/sites/defa...er_mugshot.jpg

monster 01-10-2011 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana (Post 704725)
See I said this thread belonged in Politics ;)

Not worthy of politics.

Where's the bitching/sniping forum when you need it?

monster 01-10-2011 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 704649)
I think you're projecting your own inabilities to process relevant information under such circumstances, to make timely and accurate judgment calls, on others. That's not an uncommon trait in the elderly.

Weren't some of the victims elderly? And one nine?

Lamplighter 01-10-2011 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 704687)
I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this is repeating anything someone else has said:

What is the difference between the revolutionary violent rhetoric in those banners and
the banners being waved in London by muslims protesting against the Dutch cartoons?

To my mind there are major conceptual differences.
The US demonstrators are protesting their government,
while the Muslims are defending their religious faith.

They both invoke images of blood and violence because, for each,
their beliefs are absolute... and not to be compromised.

It seems in politics that we in the US tend to impose a technical and political view
on to others when theirs is first a religion and then a way of governing.

So between Shite and Sunni, their first differences are religious,
but the former superimpose religion on government,
while the latter tend to more independent government.

xoxoxoBruce 01-10-2011 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by monster (Post 704717)
So, given that guns are here to stay, perhaps we should have gun-ed in school? And no, I'm not being facetious. Maybe then the non-gun-people would be less scared, the pro-gun-people would be less gung-ho and everyone would have a chance of handling weapons better in a crisis. just like driver's ed.

Driver's Ed is not a part of the curriculum in the UK, but cars are not such a big part of life. Having lived here a while, shocked as i still am about how young they can drive, I appreciate that it's considered a universal skill that should be part of schooling in many places. Maybe we should afford guns the same treatment.

If they tried to include teaching about guns, even in say a science class, half the parents would have a shitfit.
I'd like to see more rigorous qualifications for carry permits. Locally, they have started to require a sign off by a certified range instructor, but that varies by jurisdiction.

As for driver's ed in school, when I took it, it was a joke, mostly memorizing the answers for the exam. I doubt it's gotten any better, and many schools have dropped it because of budgets.

Undertoad 01-11-2011 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 704687)
What is the difference between the revolutionary violent rhetoric in those banners and the banners being waved in London by muslims protesting against the Dutch cartoons?

The banners are selected from all the protests everywhere over time. The people holding them are on the fringe of their groups rather than the mainstream.

DanaC 01-11-2011 04:51 AM

You think the people waving banners calling for the murder of the cartoonist were 'mainstream'?


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