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Didn't watch the video yet. I am growling because they allowed illegals to stay and have jobs when the unemployment rate for LEGAL citizens is so damn high. I mean really. where the fuck are THEIR PRIORITIES? Not with Americans apparently.

This isn't even about the unemployment rate. The issue should start and stop with did they follow the legal process to enter the country? If not, nothing else matters, get out.

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 553021)

This isn't even about the unemployment rate. The issue should start and stop with did they follow the legal process to enter the country? If not, nothing else matters, get out.

The legal process since the 80s (the last major immigration legislation), at least as I understand it, when the feds raid a place of employment, some (most) undocumented workers can continue to work with an employment authorization doc (ead) after the raid and until the case against the employer is adjudicated...in part, I assume, because the testimony of those undocumented workers may be needed.

If that is correct, it might seem outrageous in your opinion (or mine), but if it is the law, then either that legal process should be followed or the law should be amended.

More often than not what they find in the raids is that the illegal immigrants have fake or stolen SSN's and or forged documents. This gives ICE a perfect reason to put them in jail.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 553194)

More often than not what they find in the raids is that the illegal immigrants have fake or stolen SSN's and or forged documents. This gives ICE a perfect reason to put them in jail.

And in some cases, it is the employer providing those fake SSNs in which case it may be reasonable for the government to offer something to the "small fry" in order to strengthen the case against the "bigger fish."

I dont necessarily agree with the current policies and procedures....just offering reasons why those employees might be given temporary EADs during the period of time in which the employer is facing criminal prosecution, and after which the employees would be subject to a deportation hearing.

I doubt any employers found guilty of such practices have been allowed to walk. Within the last few months we had a Chinese food establishment in our city send both the husband and wife owners to jail for hiring illegal immigrants, but they had also kept them in slave like conditions.

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Arizona lawmakers on Tuesday passed one of the toughest pieces of immigration-enforcement legislation in the country, which would make it a violation of state law to be in the U.S. without proper documentation.

It would also grant police the power to stop and verify the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being illegal.

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Wow. So let me get this right... If you are driving down the road and you look like you may be an immigrant, then these guys can what? Pull you over? frisk you? Whatever they want?

Unbelievable.

DWB just became Driving While Latino

I gotta remember to tell my mother that she's lucky to be getting out of AZ. She's far too dark-skinned to be seen in public. :right:

My dad has been asked for his green card multiple times while on the job. He's white, just tan from working in the sun...oh and he works construction.

New Ad Campaign Asks Latinos Not To Vote For Congress

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WASHINGTON, Oct. 18 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Latinos for Reform announced today the launch of a national ad campaign in targeted states urging Latino voters not to vote for Members of Congress that have failed to deliver on their immigration reform promises. The ads, in both English and Spanish, are available at www.LatinosForReform.com.

"It's an election year, so perhaps we shouldn't be surprised to hear promises about immigration reform," said LFR President Robert Deposada. "What is surprising, however, is that these politicians really believe that they can continue to make these same promises during every campaign season without ever delivering on them – and that we continue to allow it."

During the 2008 elections, President Obama and the Democratic leadership made a commitment that immigration reform would be passed within a year. Two years later, these lawmakers have not only failed to deliver on this promise; they intentionally undermined even the smallest of reform efforts.

"One has to wonder: Why do the same lawmakers who decided to 'go it alone' on their political priorities like health care reform and the economic stimulus refuse to do the same on comprehensive immigration reform?" Deposada added.

"Clearly, we have been betrayed by both the Democratic and Republican leadership. And now, when they need our votes, they are at it again with more empty promises," said LFR Vice Chairman Naomi Lopez-Bauman. "If we have any chance of making our voices heard, then we must be willing to take dramatic action. This November we can send a message to all politicians: If they didn't keep their promise on immigration reform, then they can't count on our vote."

"Now is the time for us to decide what role we will play in America's political future. We are urging Latinos to be counted by casting their votes for Governor, Mayor, school board, etc. – but not to vote for Congress – on Election Day," Lopez-Bauman added. "If we sit idly by and vote for the same lawmakers that ignore us once they are in office, we will just get more of the same shabby treatment. If, however, we don't vote for politicians who don't deliver on the promises they make to our communities, then they will be forced to stop taking our support for granted."
Latinos for Reform

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Ouch thats gonna hurt... if it works.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 688948)

I wasn't sure where to put this. I figure this is a good a place as any.

:lol: Latinos for Reform is a Republican front group. They're hoping as many people don't vote as possible.

Sometimes I wonder why any of us bother to vote anymore. If you have the money you can buy your very own congressman, and if you don't have the money, fear not - somebody will buy him, probably a large international corporation like Halliburten.

The voters just play along with this, and no one states the obivious - that the emperor has no clothes.

Call me cynical, but I am just a realist.

Look what are political system has degenerated into - lots of partisan rhetoric combined with political deadlock.

Politicians just play both ends against the middle and add up their offshore bank accounts when no one is around. They couldn't care less about immigration reform because its impact on the wealthy is negligible at best. :eyebrow:

At least you're not bitter. ;)