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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 423231)

Candidates have to move to their extremes to get the nomination so it makes it more difficult to get the best candidates.

That's a major flaw in the system. You end up with extremist candidates from both sides.

I'd be very pleased to see an Obama/Leiberman v. McCain/Thompson race.

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 423217)

Also, college kids and people that have been strongly anti-Bush but didn't vote last election will vote for Obama because he is strongly anti-Bush and that he is black (notice how is biggest fan base are white-liberals).

College kids have a loud voice, but weak voting record. They make a lot of noise right now and turn out for some primaries, but when it comes November, they'll be low voter turn out... as usual.

As far as Bush-haters that didn't vote last time... it doesn't matter who wins because it won't be Bush. So there is no reason for them to vote this year either.

A news program was saying the other day that Obama has the wine drinkers (liberal elite) and Clinton has the beer drinkers (working class), and there are far more beer drinkers than wine drinkers in this nation.

I'd like to see Clinton/ Edwards and McCain/Huckabee ticket. Or maybe a Clinton/Giuliani ticket... lol That would truly be interesting! He's liberal enough to be a democrat!

As far as the 'system', the candidates pander to the extremes during the primary, and then moderate for the general election. They all do it.

yes, but that is the problem. the actual moderates are squeezed out during the primary process.

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 423234)

I'd be very pleased to see an Obama/Leiberman v. McCain/Thompson race.

Ohhhh, I like that one!

then vote.
whatever happened to the neat little button that would let me enter words so the address didn't show, just the link?

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

If we get two good tickets, the number of voters might be decently high this year.

You've got that backwards. If we get two reasonable sets of candidates, people will stay home out of indifference. It's only when one or both tickets are very, very bad that people turn out in record numbers to make sure "the other guy" doesn't win.

That makes sense, it might just be my biased atmosphere right now.

POLL: Transformed by Iowa and N.H., '08 Kicks Off as a Free-for-All

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McCain's victory in New Hampshire has sharply boosted views of his qualifications and abilities alike: His rating within his party as its most electable contender has tripled; as strongest leader, it's doubled; and he's scored double-digit gains in trust to handle Iraq and terrorism. He's climbed into the lead in overall vote preference for the first time in ABC News/Washington Post polls in the 2008 campaign.

Obama likewise is reaping benefits from winning the Iowa caucuses and coming within two points of Clinton in New Hampshire. He now challenges her as the most electable candidate. He's severely eroded her reputation as its strongest leader and sharply improved his trust to handle key issues. And in overall preference Clinton and Obama now are all but tied, 42-37 percent among likely voters, a dramatic tightening.

But he's also soared in a key Democratic group -- African-Americans, who've switched from favoring Clinton by 52-39 percent a month ago to an even larger preference for Obama, 60-32 percent, today. While Obama also has drawn much closer among whites, preferences of blacks are highly significant in some upcoming races; in the past blacks have accounted for 47 percent of Democratic voters in South Carolina (Jan. 26) and Georgia (Feb. 5), 46 percent in Louisiana (Feb. 9) and more than a third in Virginia and Maryland (Feb. 12).

Clinton's 5-point advantage over Obama is not statistically significant at the customary 95 percent confidence level; it's 75 percent likely to be a real lead. She still leads among women, but now by 11 points, vs. a vast 39 points last month. And Obama now leads nationally among men, 9 points ahead of Clinton.

In the Republican contest, McCain does have a significant lead, with 28 percent support among likely Republican primary voters, more than double his 12 percent a month ago. Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney are little changed, at 20 percent and 19 percent respectively. But Giuliani's lost 10 points, dropping to 15 percent support, and Thompson's down to 8 percent -- for both, their lowest of the campaign so far.

Things are getting most interesting. There is a lot more info on the link.

ELECTILE Dysfunction:

The inability to become aroused over any of the choices
for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.

is there a pill we can take for this ED issue?

Anyone heard or seen this? I just got it in an email today....

The time is exactly, precisely right for the Clinton bombshell attack and it is increasingly critical that it come from neither Hillary nor Bill.

They play hardball, and they are extremely good at it.

Well, it couldn't be on youtube if it wasn't true, right?