From Bloomberg News on 24 May 2011 is what Ken Nakajima of Kyoto University defined. "Now, they have confirmed what everyone expected."
TEPCO claims to end this crisis in six to nine months. Amazing that anyone would believe anything from TEPCO VP Muta. Three Mile Island with a working cooling system and only a partial meltdown took a year to cool. And another nine years to clean out. Three TEPCO reactors without working cooling systems will be cooled and then cleaned out in nine months? At what point does the obvious finally become obvious? They are still lying even to themselves.

Uh, who is?

Fukushima Reactor No. 1 more radioactive than ever
 

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didn't see any of this on tv this am.
Dana, Zen ... I'm interested if it was on BBC or .... ( related other thread )

They're sending robots in because it's too dangerous for people?

PETR isn't going to like that.

In Reactor 1, the containment building was too dangerous for people within the first day. But TEPCO was denying for weeks that a meltdown had occurred.

For some strange reason, operators turned off the emergency cooling system. Then could not turn it back on. People had to go into that building to open valves on the second floor and in the basement. Second floor valves opened immediately. Many people kept going into the basement because those valves would not open manually. And each person who tried was exceeding his radiation levels.

Only hours after the last person left, Reactor 1 exploded. And still TEPCO denied there was any meltdown.

Japan is world leaders in robots. But had to go to America to find one that could withstand the radiation ... that did not exist because a meltdown and containment breech never happened.

Just wondering if Richard Nixon fathered any kids in Japan.

We know without doubt that all three nuclear reactors suffered meltdowns. TEPCO refused to acknowledge that for six months. The first meltdown was probably Fukushima Diachi One - sometime before 11 PM or less than 8 hours after an 11 March Tsunami.

Curious is to remember how you thought you saw things back then. Then read how many remains in denial during this discussion. Appreciate why some knew what, when, while so much spin from subjective sources were outright lies. On 12 March, And yet a week later, denials continued.

On 12 March was Just like Three Mile Island, the technical people were crying for help. And getting almost none. Top management was remaining in denial. We now know the tech people in Fukushima resorted to removing and using batteries from their cars only hours after the Tsunami in a desperate attempt to save the reactors. Knew something far worse had happened early on. Technicians in radiation suits that night tried to enter the containment building of Fukushima One. When they opened the door, a large and aggressive white cloud spewed out. They slammed that door immediately. Were not able to take any radiation measurements. Did not dare enter that building. Did not yet know for certain that the entire core was completely exposed and melted. It was not just a partial or near meltdown as they feared. It was a complete meltdown. So TEPCO management denied everything.

TEPCO management said the reactor was still completely covered in water. That white cloud suggested something different.

By 16 March, Fukushima 4 exploded. Top management so removed from reality (as happened at 3 Mile Island) tried to blame that explosion on a hydrogen leakage from Fukushima 3. Meanwhile, 3 workers had already died at these plants. Denials continued even in The Cellar. "The tw speculation is off the charts here; reaction containment has been breeched, and plumes of misinformation, nonsense and confusion can be seen for miles." And "Nope, the NY Times story is wrong. There have been no deaths at the plant." Everyone should learn why so many stayed so far in denial.

By the next morning (12 March), Fukushima engineers vented radioactive gasses from Fukushima 1 in a desperate attempt to avert a containment explosion. We know that these gasses created dangerous radiation levels far beyond the 10 kilometer evacuation area. We know these evacuations were ordered because Fukushima was venting radioactive gases created by a meltdown. Spewing radiation especially far into towns to the NW. We know TEPCO management knew this. And said nothing.

In less than 24 hours, many teams were addressing so many issues as to sound similar to chaos during the Battle of the Bulge. Without any support from TEPCO in Tokyo, employees were performing actions at great personal risk to avert a much larger disaster. That many employees had long since consumed excessive radiation from a meltdown that did not happen.

Radiation levels in Fukushima 1 were so high only 15 hours after the Tsunami that multiple teams could not reach valves to vent radioactive gas into the countryside. Even a week later, many here were still denying all this had happened.

By the end of the first week, we knew (contrary to TEPCO top management claims) that all technical people had already destroyed three nuclear reactors in a desperate effort to avoid an even larger nuclear accident. Salt water was being used only 23 hours after the Tsunami. Because the people who think like engineers knew how bad things were that quickly. Obvious less than a week later only to the fewer who learned how to quickly identify reality. We now know the Prime Minister did not just scold TEPCO. TEPCO was going to evacuate all plants. TEPCO management was so incompetent as to literally sacrifice the Fukushima Diachi countryside to major meltdowns and breeches. The Japanese Prime Minister literally stormed into TEPCO HQs and personally yelled point blank into the faces of TEPCO top management. Only then did TEPCO decide to continue trying to save the plants. Then another nuclear plant exploded. BTW, at what point does a well proven fact become obvious? 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. Especially those who use the subjective reasoning techniques taught in business schools.

Last week in September contained two significant events. The United States, in a continuing move to subvert science, shut down its last major research tool into quantum physics. An example of how a technically naive top management avidly wants to destroy future jobs. And TEPCO announced that all three melted plants have finally cooled to less than 100 degrees C. As if the temperature of steam is significant. They ignore that this cooling process must continue for another ten years.

Those numbers do not mean these reactors are safe. In fact, the next week, radioactive Xenon was detected. Xenon suggests that nuclear fission is still ongoing inside one reactor. But TEPCO needed the 'safe' announcement to meet their declaration six months ago of solving the problem by September. As if a TEPCO number (212 degrees F) and spin means a deadline was met.

Up top, were hard facts from 3 Mile Island. The event could have restarted even a year later had a cooling pump failed. None of the 3 Fukushima reactors are safe. An emergency cooling process must continue for another ten years. TEPCO just forgot to mention that part. But then honesty never exists in an organization where profits (or the political agenda) are more important than the product or the nation. This was obvious only seven days after the tsunami and while so many were still denying reality. Appreciate that many can read the same facts and not see the reality. [continues in a next post]

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An interesting lesson on how reality is obvious only with the right attitude and fundamental training. The situation in Fukushima was so bad so quickly that technicians removed batteries from their cars hours after the Tsunami in a desperate attempt to save the plants. Weeks later, and due to intentional misinformation, many even in the Cellar were still denying that reality. Things were so desperate, even two weeks after the Tsunami, that employees were still taking life threatening risks to save Japan from the plants. The situation was that desperate even weeks later. They were not dumb. Despite so many comments here, Fukushima workers were trying to avert something far worse than what I had posted. Due to intentional misinformation (in the tradition of Saddam's WMDs, and BP's Macondo well), so many were still denying reality weeks after facts were presented bluntly (and without doubt) in the Cellar. Even Urbane Guerrilla was taking cheap shots a month later.

Curious are so many who remained in outright denial of a nuclear meltdown when facts with numbers made reality so obvious. Demonstrates that propaganda works so well. This thread makes interesting reading now that we know a minority (who demands hard facts with numbers) saw reality so quickly. A meltdown was obvious within days of the tsunami. But only to the few who have learned how to remove reality from so much propaganda. Who learned why subjective facts are so akin to lying. And so many actually believed those intentional lies. Even denied that TEPCO considered surrendering and evacuating Fukushima.

85% of all problems are traceable to top management - especially when they forget why hard facts and the numbers are so important. One should learn from this recent history. Ask yourself what you thought back then. Then go read the thread to see how accurately you really saw things.

Half a year later, and TEPCO is still slowly leaking facts about the severity of multiple meltdowns. We can only know this. What actually happened is far worse than what we know. Or what was posted in The Cellar. There were quite a few heroes. The ones who were heroes - we don't know any of their names. Nor the names of so many who were killed or are suffering radiation poisoning - from multiple meltdowns that were not happening.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
tw is his own parody.

Oh, tw's OK. You just have to get used to his eccentric style of posting. Often he posts about important stuff. You just need to run the post through your handy tw translator app. Now on sale for 19.95. ;)

85% of them are faulty, though

So you are saying that Eastman Kodak is not going to bankruptcy? That GM has been making good, innovative cars for 30 years? That a Man to Mars and the $billions for Constellation/Orion/Ares makes sense? That an Idle Air Control Valve in a Honda Civic was OK? That George Jr was as honest as Nixon when he sent almost 5000 American soldiers to death? That Comcast did not attempt, on multiple occassions, to subvert the Internet (even skewing Skype packets to harm that service)? That wacko extremists did not all but try to get in a hot war with China? That the electric grid is failing and that CA has a serious energy shortage? That the USS Baatan did not sit for five days off of New Orleans denied permission to help rescue, support, feed, and house tens of thousands of desperate Americans? That Saddam had WMDs and was planning to attack the US?

Clearly those three Fukushima nuclear reactors did not melt down? Management clearly did not deny problems and make it worse?

Apparently it was all only fiction to co-write another Clancy novel. And Monster is only wrong about it 15% of the time. Unfortunately Monster's numbers are not very good. Since Urbane Guerrilla is wrong only 0% of the time.

see. fucking app failed again, Sam. or did it work for you there?

Warning. Malware was embedded in that last post.

Those damn apps are made in China and the quality can be variable. Mine kinda of works although I get baffled at times.

My top 4 fav tw posts:

1) the time I posted about my truck acting up and tw explained the problem almost exactly.
2) His early wmd posts. He was right about those
3) All the posts mentioning incompetent CEO's. tw hated CEO's way before it became fashionable.
4) He's right about W.

tw is like the cellar's pet nerd. ;)

The app defaults to TW --> human. He put human talk in and got double human. It just needs a special reverse human --> TW setting.