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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 550847)

The ancient city-state setup isn't the only urban agriculture option. Green roofs are getting increasingly popular and a few cities (Vancouver and Portland) have started planting large gardens in unused lots with some success. It wouldn't be profitable now, but if sources of energy became cheaper entire buildings could be dedicated to the growth of vegetables and maybe even fruits and grains.

Also, preventing excess water runoff is becoming a large issue in cities and methods or preventing runoff can easily coincide with urban agriculture.

And I think that is AWESOME! It also helps cut down on energy usage with heating and air conditioning, because it helps regulate the indoor temperature. Don't they have rooftop gardens in Chicago?

Fruits and grains take a lot of area to produce a substantial crop. Grains have to be milled in substantial quantity to make it economical. Buildings have to reinforced to carry the load of soil, unless you're not doing some sort of expensive hydroponic deal. And growing in buildings? Have to ever compared a garden tomato with hothouse grown?

Rooftop/vacant lot growing of in-season veggies is a good idea, but will never be more than a supplement to the normal food supply. Our success with feeding over 300 million people is based on Mother Nature wiping out a crop over here doesn't devastate us because we're growing more over there.

Can't you be just a little bit positive about it Bruce? It is a small solution, one that I hope grows, that targets more than one thing, energy efficiency and food. Every little bit will help in creating a greener, more sustainable future.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 550856)

Fruits and grains take a lot of area to produce a substantial crop. Grains have to be milled in substantial quantity to make it economical.

That's why I said maybe, I am not well versed on growing grains and fruits along with the economics of it.

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Buildings have to reinforced to carry the load of soil, unless you're not doing some sort of expensive hydroponic deal.

Yup, that's a problem as of now but urban agriculture will not be widespread in one sweep, if ever. Buildings will naturally be rebuilt and restructured so in the future they can be designed to handle the extra load.

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And growing in buildings? Have to ever compared a garden tomato with hothouse grown?

No, but I know people will be working their asses off to lessen the disparity. Its always a possibility that can be used in the future.

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Rooftop/vacant lot growing of in-season veggies is a good idea, but will never be more than a supplement to the normal food supply.

A full replacement was never the idea. Urban agriculture can make an impact with food production and if real problems do occur in the future, diet changes are a possibility, making urban agriculture even more efficient. What people eat is largely dependent on what is available. If locally grown foods become more available and foreign grown foods become less available, people will start eating locally grown foods, making urban agriculture more significant.

We have no idea how our food production setup will be in 100 years, but having a homegrown source can never be bad. Not to mention the multiple other benefits from urban agriculture that has nothing to do with food production.

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Our success with feeding over 300 million people is based on Mother Nature wiping out a crop over here doesn't devastate us because we're growing more over there.

True, but how does urban agriculture go against that? If we have crops growing in 100 cities across the United States, I don't think availability of certain foods will be a problem.

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 550826)

Maybe the necessities should not be taxed. You know, utilities, food, water.

Bout 20 years ago somebody did a study of all the taxes that merely apply to a loaf of bread. Not the sales tax on the bread itself, but the fuel tax on the gas used to transport it from bakery to store, the tax on the phone call to place the order for it, etc. They found like 150 taxes that led to an increase in the price of a loaf of bread.

S'complicated

Yes it is, which is a good reason why we really should have more local farms, and depend less on shipping goods from far off places. That, of course, applies to other kinds of products as well. Yes, we have to pay more to American workers to make things, but the overall cost to ship things, which is about more than just money, outweighs the cost to make things in this country.

Whew. Yup - everyone should have their own manufacturing facility and a garden on their roof. That'd do it.

But then where will we all put our satellite dishes, hmm?

The question is, what should we grow in our satellite dishes. :D

Will the garden interfere with my tv reception?

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 550924)

Whew. Yup - everyone should have their own manufacturing facility and a garden on their roof. That'd do it.

What?

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 550917)

Yes it is, which is a good reason why we really should have more local farms, and depend less on shipping goods from far off places.

Well, then. Sucks to be in Arizona, if that's to be the case.

TGRR,
Knows nothing grows here besides cotton.

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 550849)

I never said they did. I said I don't like the way big agri-business has taken over everything at the expense of smaller farms. And you know, it didn't always exist, yet people always seemed to have food before. (yes, I know how naive that sounds. It is still the truth.)

Yeah. Back when 40-50% of the population was agrarian.