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classicman 02-21-2009 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 536910)
Maybe we need to change the capitalist system, and put a cap on how much individuals at the top can earn. Spread the wealth more evenly throughout the entire corporation and hospitals/doctor's offices. Allow all the people at the companies selling the stuff to make money off of it. Would that make you happy? Then it won't make a few people rich, it will make a lot of people more money than they have now.
Whats that share the wealth philosophy called again? Everyone gets a share of everything....? Damn it sounds familiar. social something?

xoxoxoBruce 02-21-2009 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 536926)
I recently heard something on PBR about a nuclear power plant that was supposed to be built. Initially, the cost was, like, 300 million or something (I don't remember exactly). Now the cost has more than tripled. WTF? How exactly does that happen?
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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 536933)
While they may have had no problem padding the cost, there's a good chance that they also woefully underbid the project in the first place.
Nukes take many years to get from "lets build it", to bring it on line. During the entire process the regulatory powers are constantly changing the rules. Even after the final plan has all the necessary approvals and construction begins, they keep changing the rules, in many cases requiring the contractor to rip out work completed to accommodate those changes or redesign things that hook to the changes.

This has been the rule, with no exceptions, since they've been building them.

France has been successful with nukes by standardizing one design and let them build as many as they wanted, all alike. That way you know what you're building and how much it will cost, up front.

sugarpop 02-21-2009 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarpop
I recently heard something on PBR about a nuclear power plant that was supposed to be built. Initially, the cost was, like, 300 million or something (I don't remember exactly). Now the cost has more than tripled. WTF? How exactly does that happen?
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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 536933)
Never attribute to malice what can be accounted for by malice and incompetence.

While they may have had no problem padding the cost, there's a good chance that they also woefully underbid the project in the first place.
And if they underbid, they should have to eat that as well. Purposely underbidding a project when you know you will later jack up the price is unethical and immoral, and we really need to get rid of that mindset and practice, don't you think?

sugarpop 02-21-2009 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 537078)
Nukes take many years to get from "lets build it", to bring it on line. During the entire process the regulatory powers are constantly changing the rules. Even after the final plan has all the necessary approvals and construction begins, they keep changing the rules, in many cases requiring the contractor to rip out work completed to accommodate those changes or redesign things that hook to the changes.

This has been the rule, with no exceptions, since they've been building them.

France has been successful with nukes by standardizing one design and let them build as many as they wanted, all alike. That way you know what you're building and how much it will cost, up front.
Then maybe we should follow their example. Oh wait! We can't! We hate the French! :rolleyes:

sugarpop 02-21-2009 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 537061)
Whats that share the wealth philosophy called again? Everyone gets a share of everything....? Damn it sounds familiar. social something?
WTF? You are OK with socialism for corporations and rich people, but not for anyone else? Damn classic. Please, read some David Cay Johnston.

xoxoxoBruce 02-21-2009 10:10 PM
There is still the problem of nuke waste, where to store it.

Of course we couldn't put it where we did all those bomb tests, and won't be safe for a million years anyway. :rolleyes:

sugarpop 02-21-2009 10:44 PM
I would rather spend the money on alternative, green technologies than on nuclear power plants. It takes too long to build them, and there is a very real risk that goes along with it. Plus, it's way expensive to build them. I think developing newer, cleaner technologies will help create a LOT more jobs (even an industry boom, much like the computer boom), can be executed a LOT faster, and the risk is negligible.

TGRR 02-21-2009 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 537369)
There is still the problem of nuke waste, where to store it.

Of course we couldn't put it where we did all those bomb tests, and won't be safe for a million years anyway. :rolleyes:
You mix it with sand, fuse the sand into glass, and store it in caves in the Arizona mountains.

End of fucking story.

Problem is, once they agree on a place, half of the NRC has worked itself out of a job...so they'll keep putting it in 25 year barrels and stacking them up.

TGRR 02-21-2009 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 537384)
I would rather spend the money on alternative, green technologies than on nuclear power plants.
Like solar? You know, where the process used to make the panels creates a shitload of horrible chemicals?

classicman 02-22-2009 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 537368)
WTF? You are OK with socialism for corporations and rich people, but not for anyone else?
Nope - I'm not ok with that either - not at all.


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