"our nation was founded to remove us from tyrants";)

That might be so bruce, but my question had more to do with the second part of that quote which was and keep us from becoming tyrants who practice cruel and unusual punishments.

"Keep us from becoming tyrants who practice cruel and unusual punishments", on us, not you.:D

Seriously though, the Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights, of the United States of America, were never intended to apply to anyone outside our border. Our relationship with other countries wasn't addressed for years after our revolutionary war was over.

Of course it wasn't an issue until after our civil war, except those uppity Brits needed their ass smacked in 1812 and minor problems with the pesky Mexicans.

But a riff with the Spanish was all that needed attending until WWI. Since WWI our relationship with the World has been in flux. Militarily more reactive than proactive until Vietnam. Covertly, who the hell knows?

By the way, I see the Aussie's have taken delivery of their first C-17 and the Canucks are ordering some. They are a great way to get the UN peacekeeping operations staffed and supplied. I wonder if these purchases are in anticipation of lots of UN missions to come?
We'll fuck 'em up, you clean 'em up. :blush:

well, at least you had the decency to blush....

But, rest of the world, remember...... it is writ into the US constituion that US foreign policy is directed to furthering and protecting US interests abroad.

And they mean precisely that.

Yes, as opposed to all those other countries whose foreign policy is directed to reducing and placing at risk their interests.

well, there you have it from the horses mouth, so to speak.

BTW, just how do you yanks spell 'altruism'? Is there a dollar $ign in there somewhere?

Can somebody please find that bigotry thread? I have an addition to it.

I wasn't going to say anything, but Jay's remark is ill received.

So? Am I wrong?

No, you're ignorant, which is somewhat different.

By the way, I see the Aussie's have taken delivery of their first C-17 and the Canucks are ordering some. They are a great way to get the UN peacekeeping operations staffed and supplied. I wonder if these purchases are in anticipation of lots of UN missions to come?


I suspect it was because we needed a new plane bruce.

Empires breed hate. Of course, being part of a collapsed empire, you'd think Jay would be more understanding... could be that's the problem. It sucks when the sun sets.

ouch, Griff.

Someone in AA is extremely aware of the dangers of alcohol...

...assuming he admits he has a problem.

Thats two ouches today, I better lower my profile a bit.