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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Even if it was Chuck Norris? :eek:

there you go again, arguing the exception...

But if it was chuck norris I'd just hold up a mirror and he'd go into a feedback loop of self immolation creating a black hole which would actually suck time into itself.

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Originally Posted by Griff

I know a lot of unsafe gunners. To me you can make all the pragmatic arguments you want, but gun ownership is a political decision that says the individual's rights outweigh the State's. Of course I'm into the scotch...

Who are the state? Can't we do anything to minimise their tiresomeness?

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

..I know a lot of gun owners and out of the group I'd say only about three of them are truly safe and responsible about their firearms.
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On the converse, I know alot of people, none of whom have needed a gun to protect themselves from home invasion, rape, robbery, or rape. I said rape twice - I like rape.

Lowering the number of guns will lower the number of murders. It seems like common sense.

Today's news brings us the exact opposite conclusion via the Sydney Morning Herald.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...455665717.html

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HALF a billion dollars spent buying back hundreds of thousands of guns after the Port Arthur massacre had no effect on the homicide rate, says a study published in an influential British journal.

The report by two Australian academics, published in the British Journal of Criminology, said statistics gathered in the decade since Port Arthur showed gun deaths had been declining well before 1996 and the buyback of more than 600,000 mainly semi-automatic rifles and pump-action shotguns had made no difference in the rate of decline.

The only area where the package of Commonwealth and State laws, known as the National Firearms Agreement (NFA) may have had some impact was on the rate of suicide, but the study said the evidence was not clear and any reductions attributable to the new gun rules were slight.

"Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buyback and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia," the study says.

600,000 guns removed from the system, on an island continent with some of the world's most restrictive gun laws. Ten years later, no measureable effect.

Of course, nations differ and Your Nation's Results May Vary. But to me, the lesson is:

It's the character of the people, the culture and the society that determines the murder rate. Not how many tools they have to get the job done.

Focus on the tools, and you are wasting your time.

Focus instead on creating a society where violence is unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Focus instead on creating a society where violence is unacceptable.

Set a good example, by, for instance, invading random countires for no reason.

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

I know a lot of gun owners and out of the group I'd say only about three of them are truly safe and responsible about their firearms.

Maybe your friends are a bunch of morons. It's kind of a preselected cohort...

I probably know a lot more gun owners than than you, and they're all safe and responsible about their firearms. Or they wouldn't be my friends.

By the way, what proportion of "a lot" is "about three"?

I'd so prefer to be shot by MagL. The rest of you suck.

No..wait..No I wouldn't! She would never tell my family where my body was buried!

I'd be in some watery grave somewhere...with seagulls picking at my bones...seals rendering my flesh...! NO!

K, that's backwards, but you know what I mean.

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

On the converse, I know alot of people, none of whom have needed a gun to protect themselves from home invasion, rape, robbery, or rape. I said rape twice - I like rape.

As we all know, all crime victims instantly tell all their friends the moment they become a victim...especially if the crime is rape.

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Originally Posted by Brianna

No..wait..No I wouldn't! She would never tell my family where my body was buried!

If I ever found it necessary to dispatch someone, it would be up to their family to do the burying. Otherwise they'd be left for the vultures.

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Or maybe you're not admitting the truth, or you just don't know, or you don't want to jeopardize your argument.

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

If I ever found it necessary to dispatch someone, it would be up to their family to do the burying. Otherwise they'd be left for the vultures.

I think MaggieL is a' courtin' me!

damn you, girl! Me thinks youse a keeper!

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

As we all know, all crime victims instantly tell all their friends the moment they become a victim...especially if the crime is rape.

I have lots of friends. They would share with me. Don't you have that kind of relationship with people? Oh, I should have known.

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

OK.
a) I said "people I know" not "friends". So, the moron comment will have to be saved for later.
b) You probably have a lot more gun owning friends, than I do. I live in the country and every dick and his dog has a gun. Many have more guns than teeth, if you get my drift. Come for a visit any time, Thursdays are best, because then we can go to local traffic court and take the pulse of the local collective IQ. I bet after a few days in my neck of the woods, you may wonder about guns restrictions after all. I'm sure your friends are responsible, triple digit IQ having people. Preselected cohort, and all that. ;)

ps The three friends are about 6% of the gun owners I personally know. And about 40% of the gun owners I count as friends. (off the top of my head. I honestly haven't done an accounting)