In regards to the article, I think the kid made a bad mistake. Regardless of the reason, he chose to participate in the rape and murder of innocent people. I'm sure, "in the heat of the moment" whatever that may be, he wasn't thinking clearly...maybe he thought it would never be found out, or maybe he just didn't give a rat's ass. Maybe he just had so much resentment towards the people that he felt his actions were justified. I don't care why he did what he did, or why everyone else thinks he did what he did...I'm just saying that I think he knew what he was doing, even if he wasn't thinking of the ramifications of his actions at that time. I think the poor kids conscious caught up to him, which forced him to act out, or act differently (personality disorder), which caused him to get discharged...and now that the world knows what he did, well hell, he's got a story, he might as well stick to it.

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That presupposes there are such things as supernatural phenomena. I have not experienced any, and presenting "proofs" for the same would not work.:neutral:

@Pangloss: I'm just grabbing your quote out if convenience:

I reject the word supernatural. There is nature that we understand, and nature that we don't yet understand (and maybe never will). But there isn't anything outside of nature. Nature is simply what is.

That's the difference. ;)

You have hit on a peeve of mine, I hate the term "unnatural", no such thing. It is a cop-out.

I know that when someone does something horrendous like raping and murdering children it bugs the heck out of me when the neighbors say things like "I don't how a person could do this". Plus calling them inhuman monsters, wake up news folks! there are no such things as monters, only people. The guy who murdered 15 people is as human as you.

my point was the lightning striking a tree might have been unexplainable in scientific terms to the supposed cave men but it didn't make it any less scientific.

supernatural was not the right word obviously.


but there 'could be' something outside of nature. No one can know this for sure.

But how can it be outside nature? Wouldnt anything that exist be, technically speaking, part of nature? This includes man-made stuff, too... when a bird makes a nest, do you call the nest outside of nature? Humans are animals too, we're just better with our tools... and more destructive.

Clearly that depends on your definition of nature. Nature, to me, is what is. So, if something is, it is nature. So, in that case, no, it's not possible for anything that is to be outside of nature.

Everything is.

too many ins and outs , is'is and is not-ers :muse:

Come to think of it, can any personality disorder really be called a disorder?

Ritalin Cures Next Picasso

WORCESTER, MA—Area 7-year-old Douglas Castellano's unbridled energy and creativity are no longer a problem thanks to Ritalin, doctors for the child announced Monday. "After years of failed attempts to stop Douglas' uncontrollable bouts of self-expression, we have finally found success with Ritalin," Dr. Irwin Schraeger said. "For the first time in his life, Douglas can actually sit down and not think about lots of things at once." Castellano's parents reported that the cured child no longer tries to draw on everything in sight, calming down enough to show an interest in television.

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We are losing sight of something... legally (and rightfully so) if you know the difference between right and wrong, you are sane, period.
Just because it is difficult for some of us to control our tempers does not excuse them from doing so, not at all.
I am dyslexic, have a mental disorder and had a rough childhood... I am not a criminal, worked my ass off and graduated from college with honors. I had to work harder than others to do so and did not care that it was not fair, was just my lot.
We are not all created equal, but we all have the same ability to make choices. That is the great equalizer.

It is simple, perhaps not easy (or as easy)for some, but it is simple.
If we don't know the difference between what is right and wrong, cannot make ethical distinctions, then that person has no business ever being in public anyway... problem solved.