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Urbane Guerrilla 03-11-2020 10:57 PM

Politics isn't a religion. It is an interest.

And something I like about Trump and other Republicans (particularly the less-insider sorts, DJT being a madly and greedily resented outsider and outside force that is just what the free republic needs after generations of the opposite) is how they on occasion think like libertarians. There has been for four generations a cry for running the government in a businesslike fashion. Trump has answered that cry at long last. Four more years will answer the cry even better. Plus sequelae -- really putting the end to the era of big government, that we all may be the wealthier, breathe the freer, and make our sexual desirability the greater. Makes America the greater too, hmm? See, my eyes are open -- and there are those who are so philosophically bankrupt that they have run out of substantive rebuttals, have exhausted their antifreedom arguments and sallies, and ad-hominemwise tell me I'm "pompous" for being open-eyed. This is a dimbulb's attempt at saving face, and it is contemptible. When you can't, simply can't, brighten the free republic, you're a mess.

Luce 03-14-2020 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 1048306)
There has been for four generations a cry for running the government in a businesslike fashion.

Likewise, and equally valid, is the urge to have plumbers conduct brain surgery.

Category errors are a thing.

xoxoxoBruce 03-14-2020 12:04 PM

He's right, look at all the successful businesses running a trillion dollar deficit.:rolleyes:

tw 03-14-2020 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1048477)
He's right, look at all the successful businesses running a trillion dollar deficit.

What has been keeping GE alive for many decades? A massive deficit (directly traceable to management that used cost controls to stifle innovation) has been masked by selling off division after division. As if selling assets is acceptable profit (only business school graduates promote that lie).

Previously posted were other GE assets sold to mask massive losses. Add to that list latest sales of their biopharmaceutical division to Danaher Corp and their aircraft leasing division to Apollo (an investment retirement fund). Then a massive deficit, that has existed for decades, again is not obvious to stock brokers and other bean counters. America is selling off to mask losses created by business school (bean counter) graduates who routinely stifle innovation. Innovation being the only source of actual profits, growth, and jobs.

Examples of people, with a plumber's education, getting rich by selling off America. And so the expression "going down the drain".

Companies running massive deficits to mask unproductive management include Boeing and Lockheed-Martin. First indication starts with underfunded pension funds. Which has been using a 'tax cut inspired bubble' on the stock market to mask increasing financial losses.

Sears used sale of Kmart to play fast and loose with money games. Now on the list is Xerox trying to do same with HP. How curious. Those are the same games that Trump used. Including four Atlantic City casinos that never once earned a profit. But Trump is an honest man. So that must not be a concern.

Luce 03-16-2020 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 1048306)
Politics isn't a religion. It is an interest.

It absolutely is a religion. Everyone gets to be irrational and accuse everyone else of being irrational.

That's what religion is.

Urbane Guerrilla 03-20-2020 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Luce (Post 1048471)
Likewise, and equally valid, is the urge to have plumbers conduct brain surgery.

Category errors are a thing.

You've committed one, and were not forced into it.

The Trump administration's philosophy is what running government in a businesslike fashion looks like -- and whaddaya know; it worked. People who think this can't work, or for some reason shouldn't (I can't think of any) aren't thinking like libertarians. They ought to start.

Urbane Guerrilla 03-20-2020 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Luce (Post 1048597)
It absolutely is a religion. Everyone gets to be irrational and accuse everyone else of being irrational.

You're going to fuck yourself up badly with that philosophy. Don't do it. I don't.

Luce 03-25-2020 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 1048933)
You're going to fuck yourself up badly with that philosophy. Don't do it. I don't.

Okay.

tw 03-26-2020 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 1048932)
The Trump administration's philosophy is what running government in a businesslike fashion looks like -- and whaddaya know; it worked.

Yes it did work. He stiffs contractors - at least 3500. He defaulted on loans from every major bank. The mafia also calls that 'just business'. Amazing how only honest people see that reality. While corrupt people love the way he cheats and lies.

Also amazing how the most easily brainwashed resort to profanity to justify their misinformation.

Urbane Guerrilla 03-28-2020 10:06 PM

Indeed? Is what you want to call "stiffing contractors" actually, say, a lawsuit over nonfulfillment by said contractors? Cranks are so very seldom reliable reporters, O Tantalus. My mentality being manifestly non-crankish puts you in a very deep hole.

Absolutely no one who is taken seriously points to the Present POTUS as stiffing anybody, and unprejudiced people have taken notice. Persons of prejudice can't afford to take that notice lest they have to turn in their sheets, hoods, and red-white-and-black brassards. At least then these emperors of penile encephaly will have no clothes.

xoxoxoBruce 03-28-2020 10:39 PM

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Absolutely no one who is taken seriously points to the Present POTUS as stiffing anybody
No one who worships this potus takes anyone seriously who reveal his crimes.
You don't know what the fuck your talking about. He's a dyed in the wool criminal, the con man tax cheat thief you wish you could be.

Griff 03-29-2020 07:30 AM

https://theweek.com/articles/783976/...ltime-swindles



3. A paint seller and event workers in Florida

After putting in long hours for a special event at Trump National Doral, a Miami resort, 48 servers had to sue for unpaid overtime. The settlements averaged around $800 per worker, but went as high as $3,000 in one case. On top of that, a paint shop owner named Juan Carlos Enriquez also sued Trump's business, claiming he never got the final payment for a paint shipment to the same resort. In 2017, after a three-year legal fight, a court found in Enriquez's favor, and ordered Trump's company to pay the final $32,000, plus $300,000 in legal fees.


https://www.miamiherald.com/entertai...e91353232.html

Griff 03-29-2020 09:23 AM

https://www.mediamatters.org/coronav...dnt-be-trusted


It's probably wise to consider that when these guys say "Deep State" they're talking about anyone who may have expertise in their field and is a government employee. Government incompetence becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when we elect anti-government folks to run the government.

https://www.amazon.com/Fifth-Risk-Mi.../dp/1324002646

tw 03-29-2020 09:36 AM

From Fortune Magazine:
Why U.S. Law Makes It Easy for Donald Trump To Stiff Contractors
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One of the more startling moments in Monday night’s presidential debate was the one where Donald Trump appeared to admit that one of his business secrets is an unsavory one: He stiffs his contractors.


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