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   Undertoad  Tuesday Apr 19 12:50 PM

4/19/2005: Virgin Mary appears in salt in freeway underpass



IotD will continue to document absurd Mary findings. Previously on IotD she has been seen in a tree stump and in a fence. In this case she is seen in the road salt that has dripped down onto the wall in that spot and then dried.

It's really all about the human ability to connect and see patterns and to convince themselves of what they want to see...



wolf  Tuesday Apr 19 12:57 PM

I think it looks more like Madonna, the singer, you know, "Like a Virgin," not actually one.



Beestie  Tuesday Apr 19 01:30 PM

Since when do the Blessed Virgin's elbows touch the ground. Her arms would have to be around nine feet long to pull that off.

Besides, that's not Mary. I asked her about it when I talked with her this morning and she just sighed, rolled her eyes and said: "Its freakin' salt, dude."



Happy Monkey  Tuesday Apr 19 01:37 PM

Why would Mary be trying to lure people to their deaths?



mmmmbacon  Tuesday Apr 19 01:47 PM

I think it's ridiculous when a potato that looks like the Virgin Mary sells on ebay for more than the what I payed for my car, but I have to say, that's a remarkable image. *Especially* because it's created by random road salt. Usually, I think it's absurd people give so much significance to these things, but this one is remarkably detailed and close to the actual image of a praying, veiled Mary. I can understand this one. The only problem I have is that it's a man, baby.



glatt  Tuesday Apr 19 01:57 PM

I think it looks like a vagina.



LabRat  Tuesday Apr 19 02:06 PM

whew, i'm not the only one who saw that before mary...



jaguar  Tuesday Apr 19 02:36 PM

ditto.



warch  Tuesday Apr 19 02:43 PM

quadritto. So a more ancient form of female diety worship.



lookout123  Tuesday Apr 19 03:00 PM

ok, i cannot see mary in here anywhere. the vagina does jump right though.



Happy Monkey  Tuesday Apr 19 03:14 PM

Maybe if you look close enough, you can tell it's the virgin
Mary.



warch  Tuesday Apr 19 03:15 PM

Ha!



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Apr 19 03:38 PM

Stoopid fucking lemmings...



Elspode  Tuesday Apr 19 03:49 PM

What we really need is an IOTD category of images of things that form in window glass, trees, food, etc that *aren't* Mary, but look like, perhaps, Joe DiMaggio or Bette Davis.



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Apr 19 03:51 PM

What we need is for peepul to get their heads out of their asses and look for meaning and pattern inside, instead of outside.



warch  Tuesday Apr 19 03:52 PM

I remember (fuzzily) an old Cheers episode where Cliff has a potato that looks like Nixon. I think the punchline is something like "Big deal, find one that doesnt".



LabRat  Tuesday Apr 19 04:27 PM

Bah. What would we make fun of then???



lookout123  Tuesday Apr 19 04:28 PM

people who live in Iowa. oh wait, i do that now.



LabRat  Tuesday Apr 19 04:30 PM

The one and only time i tried tye dying, one of the shirts I rolled came out with a HUGE purple vagina going up the back. I couldn't have drawn one better, it was amazing. No, I don't still have it unfortunately. I wish I had taken a picture.



jaguar  Tuesday Apr 19 04:41 PM

Now i look again it doesn't look very virginal either.

Quote:
The one and only time i tried tye dying
That's what they all say, hippy.


mrnoodle  Tuesday Apr 19 05:40 PM

Good thing not many people saw you wearing it, they'd have erected a shrine on your ass. Wait. Are we talking about vaginas that look like Marys or vice versa?

nevermind



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Apr 19 06:42 PM

I see a penis with a fright wig. Does that mean I'm queer?



Happy Monkey  Tuesday Apr 19 06:52 PM

You're the one who said I had a nice box.



capnhowdy  Tuesday Apr 19 07:56 PM

SALTY VAGINA

.......definitely LABIA LAND.
I certainly wouldn't say virgin, though.
I wouldn't be surprised if some graffitti artist hasn't "touched it up"......
I dated a girl once who......... 10-22



dar512  Wednesday Apr 20 01:27 AM

I heard this story on the local radio. It's in Chicago on the Fullerton Avenue underpass for the Kennedy Expressway.

It still looks like a salt stain to me.



Kitsune  Wednesday Apr 20 11:05 AM

Doesn't the bible outright say that anything that appears prior to God appearing in the sky is a false a vision and shouldn't be trusted?

I think it looks like a vagina.




mrnoodle  Wednesday Apr 20 11:25 AM

it says to beware of people who give signs and say this n that, because there will be many false prophets, and when the time comes, the sign will be clear to everyone, etc. etc.

I don't think this is it. I think it's a buhgina. I can see the dick with a wig, too. But hey, if it comforts someone, good for them.

We had these fake wood grain doors and a couple of them had demon faces in them. Big ones, too. And I saw a skull in the pattern of the carpet at school. All this started happening after our psychology class in which we learned about subliminal advertising. I can spot a dick in a tumbler of whiskey from a mile off.

That would be a good sig line



Vegeta  Wednesday Apr 20 11:27 AM

"Kiss the vagina, Timmy."

Didn't anyone see The Daily Show, uh, Monday night I think? Where some Aussie pissed the bed and said it looked like Jesus? I think that one wins for most ludicrous pseudo-religious sighting thus far, even past the cheese sammich on eBay.



pdaoust  Wednesday Apr 20 11:27 AM

my gosh... sigh... I find these things so sad... is this why you guys think we Cath'licks are wackos? Seriously, I think it's just people whose pattern-recognition skills have gone a little haywire... sadly, that seems to happen a lot in our church... I guess it shows that we really are a church made out of human beings.



jaguar  Wednesday Apr 20 11:44 AM

Re: the kid



wolf  Wednesday Apr 20 12:14 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vegeta
"Kiss the vagina, Timmy."
Kiss the place where homeless people have been pissing for the last twenty years, Timmy.


mmmmbacon  Wednesday Apr 20 12:23 PM

<troll>
Why are atheists typically so damn smug? It seems to me that to be sure there is no God is as much a matter of faith as to actively believe in one (or many). The only truly rational position is to be agnostic, which is to admit that it is unknowable.

In other words, why are you so quick to dismiss this as nothing more than an accident? Is it threatening to your worldview, perhaps, that someone might find meaning where you do not?
</troll>



mrnoodle  Wednesday Apr 20 01:24 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mmmmbacon
<troll>
Why are atheists typically so damn smug?...The only truly rational position is to be agnostic, which is to admit that it is unknowable.
Yeah, nothing smug about an agnostic

I'm a Christian, and the Mary sightings are ludicrous to me. The more of them we have, the more marginalized real miracles become. I don't see God playing Where's Waldo with the same hands-folded image of Mary over and over again. Even if some of these images are supernatural in origin, that doesn't make them divine. If we're going the mystic route, I see just as much possibility that Satan uses the images to mislead as I do that God uses them to ..... whatever they're supposed to do.


Kitsune  Wednesday Apr 20 01:36 PM

I think we need more image goodness!



Troubleshooter  Wednesday Apr 20 01:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrnoodle
...the more marginalized real miracles become...
Real miracles such as what?


mrnoodle  Wednesday Apr 20 02:28 PM

heh. nice try. Start a miracle thread if you like, this is the vagina picture thread.

Actually, a vagina magically appearing on a wall is pretty miraculous.



Troubleshooter  Wednesday Apr 20 02:58 PM

Sorry, the effort had to be made.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled vagina bashing.



jaguar  Wednesday Apr 20 03:08 PM

There is no way I can comment on that TS without it being as easy in interpret as minsinterpret.



Troubleshooter  Wednesday Apr 20 03:22 PM

One does try.



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Apr 20 08:39 PM

Good show Jag.
I wonder in one of those online florists would deliver to the salt stain in the underpass? Maybe a mylar balloon too.



arrowtouch  Saturday Apr 23 02:23 PM

fishy

seems kinda fishy to me...



arrowtouch  Saturday Apr 23 02:41 PM

who wants to lick Lot's wife?



capnhowdy  Saturday Apr 23 09:11 PM

Now that I think about it....It looks like HER vagina.........



Elspode  Saturday Apr 23 09:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mmmmbacon
Why are atheists typically so damn smug?
Hell, I'm a polytheist, and I still want to know why we don't see more images of Leo Durocher or Guy LaFleur in salt stains and food products.


busterb  Saturday Apr 23 11:49 PM

Hell I saw my x wife in Hardes's today. She should be a piss stain on a wall somewhere. !st sighing in 35 years.OMG



wolf  Saturday Apr 23 11:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by capnhowdy
Now that I think about it....It looks like HER vagina.........
I'm surprised you didn't recognize it right away.

The sow was yours, right?


wolf  Saturday Apr 23 11:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elspode
Hell, I'm a polytheist, and I still want to know why we don't see more images of Leo Durocher or Guy LaFleur in salt stains and food products.
I see Mike Ditka in brats all the time, but I'm always too hungry to take pictures before I eat them.


xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Apr 24 04:08 AM

You see Mike's what, in your brats?!?



busterb  Sunday Apr 24 08:29 AM

OMG! The casting that I poster in DoDads has a Baby Jesus foot print on back side. See!



capnhowdy  Sunday Apr 24 08:41 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolf
I'm surprised you didn't recognize it right away.

The sow was yours, right?
Yes.....she was mine. I was inside her.


Elspode  Sunday Apr 24 10:18 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by busterb
OMG! The casting that I poster in DoDads has a Baby Jesus foot print on back side. See!
Looks like a miraculous image of Munch's "Scream" to me.


wolf  Sunday Apr 24 11:42 AM

It's Ditka again.



BrianR  Friday May 6 11:04 AM

Image of Mary defaced

Story from CNN.com here

I once had an image of Mary appear to me in a bagel, but hunger won out over greed and I ate it! YUM!

Brian



Troubleshooter  Friday May 6 11:19 AM

It's funny how he got arrested, but the monkeys creating the road hazard got left alone.



glatt  Friday May 6 11:19 AM

Those damn athiests just couldn't leave us alone and let us have our miracle. Damn them to Hell for all eternity! They are just jealous. At least we have the pictures of the vagina to remember it.



wolf  Friday May 6 11:37 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Troubleshooter
It's funny how he got arrested, but the monkeys creating the road hazard got left alone.
He defaced the bridge. In public view.

That's kind of what's supposed to happen.

The police hustling him off would also have saved him from being savaged by the crowd of loving Christians.


johne3819  Friday May 6 12:40 PM

here's a link from the chicago tribune, why is the girl in image #7 not arrested for the same thing as the other guy?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...ws-hed&index=7



johne3819  Friday May 6 12:57 PM

oh and I forgot the second commandment:

You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin
of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me

-Exodus 20:2-17

Isn't this an idol, sure man didn't DIRECTLY make it, but man's creations made it.



Clodfobble  Friday May 6 01:23 PM

Catholics don't have that commandment. They split another one into two (I forget which one) to keep the integrity of the "Ten" Commandments.



johne3819  Friday May 6 01:35 PM

Wow, here i was raised catholic and I *thought* I remember that one

Thanks for enlightening my (obviously going to hell) self!

I swear they taught us that graven images thing.

I never knew there were 3 version of the 10 commandments - one jewish one catholic and one protestant

I have found some sites that dispute your claim that catholics 'dropped' the graven images commandment, many say that it is impied in the 'short hand' version of the 2nd - Thou shall have no gods before me

Sorta of a crib notes for the commandments I guess. You'r supposed to look them up in exodus



wolf  Friday May 6 01:53 PM

I coulda sworn they taught me the graven images thing too ... but graven images are big business for the Catholic Church ... I got my St. Dymphna medal and picture right here ... (Her feast day is May 15, don't miss it!!)

I know I always get mixed up about #5 ... I know it's about the not killin', which is apparently #6 for the Jews and the Prods?

Welcome, Johne



Trilby  Friday May 6 01:59 PM

I thought being allowed to have graven images is what makes a Catholic a Catholic. It's fun to have idols!!



wolf  Friday May 6 02:00 PM

Do I need to post the link to the Reverend Geno vs. the Virgin Mary again?



johne3819  Friday May 6 02:06 PM

Hello wolf, and thanks,

So CAN I worship my American Idol or not???

I guess it doesn't matter cause I can always repent at the last minute and still get in. I love that get out of jail free card!

And I still can't figure out why it's ok to vandalize a message to grandpa, but not to the world?

Must be a dead vs alive thing. Us catholics have always had more respect for dead people.



wolf  Friday May 6 02:10 PM

There's a lot of Irish and Polish Catholics in Chicago. That may explain a lot of the ire toward the Godless defacer.



johne3819  Friday May 6 02:31 PM

One polish catholic (long since converted to my own spirituality) right here !

You are too right, irish, polish, and latino population massive here. Second largest community of polish outside poland is in Chicago - my home town!



Queen of the Ryche  Friday May 6 02:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolf
I coulda sworn they taught me the graven images thing too ... but graven images are big business for the Catholic Church ... I got my St. Dymphna medal and picture right here ... (Her feast day is May 15, don't miss it!!)
And wow, didn't she have a pretty little life? Daughter of an incestuous Pagan cheiftan who beheaded her after she ran away, because she didn't want to replace her own mother and secure the riches of the kingdom? And she turned to Christianity why? I guess Polytheism had left a bad taste in her mouth................

So if I see a tree that looks like a tree, is that a graven image for our kind?


wolf  Friday May 6 02:47 PM

For the most part, we put the graven in the graven image. Can't swing a cat by the tail in most pagan households without knocking over a dozen assorted goddess statues and annoying the cat.



Queen of the Ryche  Friday May 6 03:19 PM

I'm not truly a "pagan" (yet? - still learning/investigating/considering), but definitely a poly, so I have my fair share of idols (Norse, Celtic, etc.), and a couple of cats for swinging. But none made from salt stains or grilled cheese. Mine were created intentionally, blatantly; not miraculously discovered under a stinky underpass.



Elspode  Sunday May 8 12:49 AM

Wouldn't it be hysterical if the roadsalt Mary actually *was* a divine miracle? Boy, wouldn't that fanatic that painted it over feel dumb...

God: "So, what do you have to say for yourself?"

Fanatic: "I...um...well...You see...Youdamnit, it says right there in the Bible that..."

God: "Don't tell me what it says in the Bible! Don't you think *I* know what it says?! You morons fucked it completely up! What it says is bullshit! Don't you people know allegory and metaphor when you read it?"



Queen of the Ryche  Sunday May 8 05:21 PM

I don't know about your god, but mine wouldn't waste its time creating a stain for people to question whether it was a miracle - my gods would slap yo in the face with lightning bolt, or something equally obvious. Maybe my kind are a bit thicker headed and need a stronger "sign" than a questionable stain under a freeway, or a possible profile on a potato chip.



wolf  Sunday May 8 05:27 PM

I dunno. These little indications of diety in everyday things may be a way of impressing upon us that everything has it's part in the dance of the sacred which we call "life."



Queen of the Ryche  Sunday May 8 05:33 PM

You're right - I guess I just see them in things other than salt stains. (Flowers and sunsets come to mind.)



wolf  Sunday May 8 05:52 PM

I'm a big fan of waking up in the morning, seeing stars at night, and a good chicken salad club sandwich ...



Troubleshooter  Sunday May 8 06:31 PM

And thus is demonstrated the intrinsic, constantly capitalized upon and excuse-ridden, need of humans to see patterns or reasons where there are no indications of either.



johne3819  Monday May 9 02:55 PM

OH man this is crazier than ever,

From todays tribune -

some ladies cleaned off the paint over the salt, in the process obviously removing some of the salt.

SO is it now a TRULY graven image - since man has altered it?

And the trib goes on to say that the reason the man [that defaced the salt stain] was arrested and the other weren't was because people saw him.

Well I've got a pic of some Jessica Navarrete writing ont the wall.

Whatever!



hampor  Monday May 9 04:21 PM

It's what we do.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Troubleshooter
And thus is demonstrated the intrinsic, constantly capitalized upon and excuse-ridden, need of humans to see patterns or reasons where there are no indications of either.
It is our nature. We look for patterns.

It was always better to mistakenly think that you saw the saber-toothed tiger, than to mistakenly not think so.


capnhowdy  Monday May 9 08:36 PM

It's just a salt stain.....for chrissake..............



xoxoxoBruce  Monday May 9 08:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by capnhowdy
It's just a salt stain.....for chrissake..............
For Christ's sake? Really?


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