1/22/2005: Bloody animal sacrifice

It's framed with some sort of metal fence decoration, but what we're seeing here is animal sacrifice in Pakistan, observing the first day of the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha. The caption says the religious celebration marks Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son in a show of obedience to God.

Foul!

Everytime I think I may be falling for the whole islam is a religion of peace, islam is this, islam is that I get handed big glass of wake the fuck up.

Not to condone such a gruesome display, but if you read about Eid-Al-Adha, you find at least they actually eat the animals they're killing here.

As long as they actually eat the meat I don't have a problem with it...I think. I agree that it is pretty gruesome looking, but I’ve seen the insides of a meal locker, it’s much, much worse than this. Anyone know how the animals are “sacrificed”? If they are chased around the square and beaten to death with clubs, then yeah, major problem, and I don't care if it's dinner or not. Besides that, you should be nice to your dinner, no one wants the ghost of a dead cow haunting your stomach while you digest it's body, I don't want to know what kind of cramps that would cause.

The ghosts of dead cows are often in your stomach, no matter how they are slaughtered.

Depending on your relationship with the dead cow's ghost, you get either farts or explosive diarrhea.

I have real big issues with the whole Abraham thing. I think Abraham was, to put it mildly, a freaking weird-o who did things that he'd be locked up for if he did them today (example: most people agree that a man who performs home-surgery or "modifications" on his own penis needs professional help) and his God seems particularly brutal. I've always hated the story of Abraham leading his innocent son (and, BTW, there is controversy about which son it was. Was it Sarah's son, Isaac, or Hagar's son, Ishmael? Big controversy over that!) to slaughter. Disgusting, even as an allegory. No wonder I reject Christianity in particular and the Abrahamic faiths in general.

You know, it's conversations like this that convince ignorant people to become vegitarians, and condemn us meat eaters. I have a friend who is a rancher, thousands of acres of lands, even more cattle, and his daughter is a vegetarian. I don't get it.

(example: most people agree that a man who performs home-surgery or "modifications" on his own penis needs professional help)

Modifications? I'm interested. heehee......
Right about needing professional help, too. One should NEVER attempt an operation like this alone................

Blood pudding.

I was thinking: how do they intend to clean this mess up?
Oh well- no problem:

if you think this says something about Islam, go up to Greeley, CO sometime and see how our Fast Food Nation does the whole slaughter thing. Mmmm, pools of cowshit...

Oh well, its a religious thing .... they kill the animals by cutting a major vain and let it bleed to death i think....a bit Al-Zarqaoui style!!
The seals that are killed dont have anything to do with religion and are killed much wurse....

I think that the big issue is the contradiction in the situation, not the fact that we americans are a bunch of venal gluttons.

Bush weighs in on the holiday...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0020221-4.html

I wonder if he's seen our expose?

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
February 21, 2002

President Commemorates Eid al-Adha

I am pleased to send warm greetings to Muslims across the United States as you celebrate the Eid al-Adha holiday.

As you join in spirit with those gathered in Mecca to observe the traditions of one of your most sacred feasts, may you share joyful and reverent fellowship with family and friends.

During this special time, our Nation is reminded of the remarkable contributions of American Muslims to our history, culture, and way of life. Our spiritual foundation and common heritage will continue to guide us as we strive to strengthen our country and advance peace and goodness in our world.

Laura joins me in sending our best wishes for a joyous observance.

GEORGE W. BUSH

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I had an idea...

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equals

A self solving problem.

["Us Americans on the other hand are shielded from all the gruesomeness--so much so that our first reaction is to cast stones at the "heathen" Muslims. I don't think we mean to be hypocritical, we're just not exposed to these kinds of facts of life."] QUOTE

Isn't that called "civilization"?

Hey, not all of us think meat comes in shrink wrap. Believe it or not (and agree with him or not) Ted Nugent's cook book "Kill it and Grill it" has this as one of it's major points. If you are NOT a vegitarian, if you are NOT killing it yourself, someone is doing it for you, and if your not willing to face up to that fact, your being intellectually dishonest with yourself.

Me? Yep - people kill most of my food for me, but I do kill some of it for myself - the "Ultimate" in "Free range" - hunting - where the animal can get away (In fact I did NOT get one this year). And yes, I do my own butchering, and preserving (Mostly freezing)

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Originally Posted by garnet Huh? So are you saying that these Muslims aren't "civilized"?

Cannonize? Nope - but he does have a point (and some good recipies)

Think I'll go home and make some venison chili tonight (yum)

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Originally Posted by garnet Huh? So are you saying that these Muslims aren't "civilized"?

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Originally Posted by 404Error I don't believe hacking off someone's head with a machete fits the definition of civilized....nor does what these Muslims are doing in this picture.

You can pick it all you want. It's the ones who don't pick it that are the problem.

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Originally Posted by garnet ZZZZZZZZZZZ Maybe you should go back to telling math jokes....

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Originally Posted by 404Error I don't believe hacking off someone's head with a machete fits the definition of civilized....nor does what these Muslims are doing in this picture.

I think "How Would You Want to Be Executed?" is a good idea for a new thread...I'll go first.

I'd like to be fucked to death.

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Originally Posted by 404Error Okay. We'll hack off your arms and legs and leave you in the middle of a desert. Now you're fucked.

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Originally Posted by Brianna You know, that's not really what I had in mind. Just trying to turn the bloody animal thing-y into a sex orgy. Sorry.

But the US government doesn't follow the Geneva Conventions anymore. They are "quaint." Remember? We torture prisoners of war.

Does that mean we are uncivilized in your book?

And even if we did apply Geneva, the "dirty business" of war is only excused if the war itself is justified.

You should expect to suffer the same punishments for the crime you commited as anyone in the country you commited it in, regardless of where you hail from or your religious beliefs.

As far as the firing squad goes, two states still authorize it's use. The military does not use it.

bombing cities with tanks & planes is quite showable. Saddening, too. I suggest hand to hand with a KBAR. That way the duty (not deed) would be done by a real soldier & a true patriot, probably; thus excluding 98% of all cowards. The other 2% would be, of course, in the looney toons category.

Without war, peace would be unacheivable. The Geneva Convention is like any other rule in competition: it only works if both teams observe & abide. Prisoners of war are precisely that...... they are not guests. Remember- a second before they were taken into custody they were trying to kill you. I share the "take no prisoners" view, along with loads of others. Personally it would be the better option to be a casualty than a toy for some twisted heathen, hungry for material to further decieve their inane charges.

War being justified is probably the question of the millinium. I'm glad that call is up to the CIC & Co..... Can you imaging the results if the citizens voted on it? We would most likely be the weakest nation in the world.

THE BURNING QUESTION :
Why can't we all just get along?

POSSIBLE ANSWER :
Because we have the freedom to differ.

i don't think it is quite that easy HM. but if the decision to go to war was left to a general election then yes, i think the nation would be much weaker. look at how divided people can become over a "simple" decision, like who they want for president. can you imagine the dirty tricks on both sides of the aisle if the issue at hand was to go to war or not. i don't know if the general public could stomach the idea of "their" vote sending men and women to die - even if war is a necessary course of action.

I think public support is necessary but not sufficient when it comes to a justifiable war.

Justifiable war....hmm.....to whom? By whom? The congress? The great unwashed? The press? The money mongers? The bloggers? The UN? Allies?


God?

["That's crazy. The strength of a nation is defined by how eager it is to start a war?"]QUOTE

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On the contrary. The weakness of a nation is defined by how afraid it is to uphold their beliefs. In the areas where our troops are currently deployed would be prime examples........