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   Undertoad  Tuesday Jul 27 03:41 PM

7/27/2004: PETA love-in for vegetarianism



It's the PG-13 version of the Norwegians sex on stage - PETA staged a 'Live Make-Out Tour' last Friday in Boise, Idaho to promote vegetarian eating.

The event is meant to demonstrate PETA's claims that vegetarians are better lovers.

full story



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Jul 27 03:48 PM

Why did you post the link to the whole story?

There's nothing wrong with peta that a case of ammunition wouldn't solve.



jaguar  Tuesday Jul 27 03:49 PM

I really, really don't get PETA. That guy's haircut makes him look like a recently deserted marine.



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Jul 27 03:53 PM

His boyfriend likes it that way.

It's only a faux love-in dontcha know...



DanaC  Tuesday Jul 27 03:57 PM

"There's nothing wrong with peta that a case of ammunition wouldn't solve"

Why? What's so terribly wrong about PETA?



Happy Monkey  Tuesday Jul 27 04:01 PM

I would like to support protests of this nature.



lumberjim  Tuesday Jul 27 04:08 PM

looks like smoothmoniker was in on it:



DanaC  Tuesday Jul 27 04:16 PM

Clearly I am fighting for the wrong causes.......



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Jul 27 04:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanaC
"There's nothing wrong with peta that a case of ammunition wouldn't solve"

Why? What's so terribly wrong about PETA?
Quotes From Animal Rights Activists

By Brian Carnell

Sunday, May 14, 2000

General Philosophy

"We feel that animals have the same rights as retarded children."
-Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA, New York Times, January 14, 1989.

"The life of an ant and that of my child should be granted equal consideration."
-Michael W. Fox, Vice President, The Human Society of the United States, The Inhumane Society, New York, 1990.

Regan when asked which he would save, a dog or a baby, if a boat capsized in the ocean: "If it were a retarded baby and a bright dog, I'd save the dog."
-Tom Regan, Q&A session following a speech, University of Wisconsin-Madison, October 27, 1989.

Animal Experimentation

"To those people who say, `My father is alive because of animal experimentation,' I say `Yeah, well, good for you. This dog died so your father could live.' Sorry, but I am just not behind that kind of trade off."
- Bill Maher, PETA celebrity spokesman

"If the death of one rat cured all diseases, it wouldn't make any difference to me."
-Chris De Rose, Director, Last Chance for Animals

"An animal experiment cannot be justifiable unless the experiment is so important that the use of a brain-damaged human would be justifiable."
-Peter Singer, Animal Liberation: A New Ethic for Our Treatment of Animals, 2nd. edition, 1990.

"If abandoning animal research means that there are some things we cannot learn, then so be it ... We have no basic right ... not to be harmed by those natural diseases we are heir to."
-Tom Regan, The Case for Animal Rights, 1983


Meat

"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughter houses."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, The Washington Post, November 13, 1983.

Pets

"I donít use the word "pet." I think itís speciesist language. I prefer "companion animal." For one thing, we would no longer allow breeding. People could not create different breeds. There would be no pet shops. If people had companion animals in their homes, those animals would have to be refugees from the animal shelters and the streets. You would have a protective relationship with them just as you would with an orphaned child. But as the surplus of cats and dogs (artificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship Ė enjoyment at a distance."
-Ingrid Newkirk, PETA vice-president, quoted in The Harper's Forum Book, Jack Hitt, ed., 1989, p.223.

"It is time we demand an end to the misguided and abusive concept of animal ownership. The first step on this long, but just, road would be ending the concept of pet ownership."
-Elliot Katz, President, In Defense of Animals, "In Defense of Animals," Spring 1997

"Let us allow the dog to disappear from our brick and concrete jungles -- from our firesides, from the leather nooses and chains by which we enslave it."
-John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A Changing Ethic, PETA, 1982, p.15.

"The cat, like the dog, must disappear..... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist."
-John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of a Changing Ethic, PETA 1982, p.15.

"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship they should seek it with their own kind."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, "Animals," May/June 1993

"You don't have to own squirrels and starlings to get enjoyment from them ... One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990.

"Pet ownership is an abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, Washingtonian, August 1986

"One day we would like an end to pet shops and breeding animals [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild."
-Ingrid Newkirk, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990


Terrorism

"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause."
-Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA

"I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals out or burn them down."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, National Animal Rights Convention '97, June 27, 1997

"Get arrested. Destroy the property of those who torture animals. Liberate those animals interned in the hellholes our society tolerates."
Jerry Vlasak, Animal Defense League, Internet post to AR Views list, June 21, 1996

"We have found that civil disobedience and direction action has been powerful in generating massive attention in our communities ... and has been very effective in traumatizing our targets."
-J.P. Goodwin, Committee to Abolish the Fur Trade, National Animal Rights Convention '97, June 27, 1997.

"In a war you have to take up arms and people will get killed, and I can support that kind of action by petrol bombing and bombs under cars, and probably at a later stage, the shooting of vivisectors on their doorsteps. It's a war, and there's no other way you can stop vivisectors."
-Tim Daley, British Animal Liberation Front Leader

"If a girl gets sexual pleasure from riding a horse, does the horse suffer? If not, who cares? If you French kiss your dog and he or she thinks it's great, is it wrong? We believe all exploitation and abuse is wrong. If it isn't exploitation and abuse, it may not be wrong."
-Ingrid Newkirk, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

© Copyright 1998-2002 by Brian Carnell. All rights reserved.


lookout123  Tuesday Jul 27 04:36 PM

all this time i just thought PETA was just silly... now it turns out that they are just plain f*!ked up.



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Jul 27 04:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lookout123
all this time i just thought PETA was just silly... now it turns out that they are just plain f*!ked up.
I remember when I was deployed in the Med, some of these (same type anyway, Red Flag I think) guys tried to board the nuclear submarine I was on to sink it.

Now I ask you, what exactly were they smoking to think they stood a chance of accomplishing that?


jaguar  Tuesday Jul 27 04:59 PM

How was he planning on doing that, pickaxe? Asking nicely?
I wonder if he had considered the environmental impact of sinking a nuclear sub



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Jul 27 05:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaguar
How was he planning on doing that, pickaxe? Asking nicely?
I wonder if he had considered the environmental impact of sinking a nuclear sub
There was a half dozen of them. There is only one, 21" hole that allows access to below. We handled them with the firehose.

I'm not sure that they eve noticed the guy with the M16 on the bridge.

I wonder how he planned to deal with the two shotguns and the pistol that were deployed at the bottom of the ladder, the only entrance?

Fast attack boats are capable of carrying nuclear weapons, do you really think he would have made it off of the boat in one piece?


DanaC  Tuesday Jul 27 05:08 PM

Oh good lord.....I mean....I am pretty far left on this issue but that's just fucked up

I think this one is my personal favourite ...""The life of an ant and that of my child should be granted equal consideration."

If he has children and they survive childhood sane enough to read I bet that'll make em feel treasured



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Jul 27 05:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanaC
Oh good lord.....I mean....I am pretty far left on this issue but that's just fucked up

I think this one is my personal favourite ...""The life of an ant and that of my child should be granted equal consideration."

If he has children and they survive childhood sane enough to read I bet that'll make em feel treasured
There's hope yet...

Here's a view of the way down that they would have had to go to meet the greeting crew.




Undertoad  Tuesday Jul 27 05:23 PM

In other words, balls first - ensuring that if he made it to the ladder, he would not in fact have children even if he did survive. Good 'un TS, thanks for the shot.



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Jul 27 05:27 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad
In other words, balls first - ensuring that if he made it to the ladder, he would not in fact have children even if he did survive. Good 'un TS, thanks for the shot.
Unlikely, very unlikely. One way in, means one way out...

Thanks, there's a lot of gee-whiz factor to tooling around the ocean in a 2 billion dollar go-buggy.

I know how you are about your IoTD and QI shots, so here are some good shots of an improved version of the boat I was on.

Fast and black and never come back...


smoothmoniker  Tuesday Jul 27 05:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lumberjim
looks like smoothmoniker was in on it:

kickass! I've finally made it ... LJ photoshopped me! That's going straight on the old resume' ...

-sm


Pie  Tuesday Jul 27 06:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Troubleshooter
"If the death of one rat cured all diseases, it wouldn't make any difference to me."
-Chris De Rose, Director, Last Chance for Animals
"If I have to personally stomp a million rats to death to buy my father a few years of life free from leukemia, I'll do it in a heartbeat." -- me
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Troubleshooter  Tuesday Jul 27 06:13 PM

Yeah, those monkeys are really only fit for the target range.

We could use them for ballistic trauma damage testing instead of the jello dummies.



DanaC  Tuesday Jul 27 06:15 PM

*nods*
I am a total hypocrite on this issue. I have a general dislike for animal testing where it's at all possible to use other means and I think some experiments are repeated to an unecessary degree and I think that in general animals cold be treated a great deal better within the farming industry and so on.....But I think Robert Newman ( the english one) probably said it best when he said that
"....In all honesty I would go into any field in England and kill every last sheep, cow, rabbit fox, goat ....every last anaimal in the field if i thought for just one moment.....just one moment ! ...that it might be a bit of a laugh "



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Jul 27 06:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanaC
*nods*
I am a total hypocrite on this issue. I have a general dislike for animal testing where it's at all possible to use other means and I think some experiments are repeated to an unecessary degree and I think that in general animals cold be treated a great deal better within the farming industry and so on.....But I think Robert Newman ( the english one) probably said it best when he said that
"....In all honesty I would go into any field in England and kill every last sheep, cow, rabbit fox, goat ....every last anaimal in the field if i thought for just one moment.....just one moment ! ...that it might be a bit of a laugh "
Then you and I generally agree.

That last part was a bit much. Anybody that blase needs help.


DanaC  Tuesday Jul 27 06:20 PM

In all fairness to Robert newman he is a stand up comedian and that was a joke I filched from his act But it would have ruined the mpay off if I'd said that at the start



Stonan  Tuesday Jul 27 07:35 PM

I thought vegetarians weren't allowed to eat meat

Besides, some of my friends are vegetarians not because of a love of animals but because they hate plants just that much!



dar512  Tuesday Jul 27 08:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonan
Besides, some of my friends are vegetarians not because of a love of animals but because they hate plants just that much!
Carrot Juice is Murder -- Very funny song.

Let my vegetables go.


ladysycamore  Tuesday Jul 27 08:42 PM

[quote]"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship they should seek it with their own kind."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, "Animals," May/June 1993"

Sheesh and they say to get a pet if you want something to love (to underage girls that want a baby). Damn crazies. :thumbsdow



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Jul 27 11:51 PM

Quote:
Fast and black and never come back...
Great link, thanks.

I should the public would be shocked at that demonstration. I mean public display of assholes is a little much.


wolf  Wednesday Jul 28 02:29 AM

I think that they should issue tags for PETA members, just in case one accidentally gets in between you and a deer.

The idiots trying to board the sub sound more like Greenpeace ... or there is also a more radical batch of those fellahs ... Sea Shepherd, I think.



hermex  Wednesday Jul 28 03:53 AM

I am organizing a counter-protest publicity stunt on the other side of the street, "Donkey Show for Eating More Meat"



jaguar  Wednesday Jul 28 03:58 AM

Greenpeace does some fairly crazy stuff but I doubt they'd try and board a nuclear sub.



wolf  Wednesday Jul 28 04:08 AM

They've done it before.



Cyber Wolf  Wednesday Jul 28 08:47 AM

On the whole meat is murder issue...

I refuse to listen to PETA or anyone else who would encourage the consumption of harvested grains or vegetables in favor of eating from animals that are slaughtered. Take a wheat field that's ready for harvest. That wheat field is an ecosystem. You're going to find critters from all points on the food chain, from bugs to birds, mice to snakes and foxes.

Now, run a harvesting machine across that land. The bigger things like foxes and birds can easily flee the area when the tiller comes around, but woe be to all those small animals. The ones that nest above ground have no where to run and they can't outrun some of those machines. The ones that have nests below ground only have a short time before the field itself is tilled. And the small critters are opportunistic maters, so they could have families at any time of the year.

Unless I'm misreading/misunderstanding where PETA stands on the whole animal rights/animal suffrage issue, PETA ought to be doing something to stop these ritual mass-slaughters of small fuzzy things that live in these grain field habitats farmers create. Stop the merciless culling of the voiceless small animals who are lulled into a false sense of security by man with their fields of abundant food and ample cover from predators! *waves her Stick of Fuzzy-Thing Justice around* Maybe they can hold a Love-In down in front of these reaping machines in protest. We should get a picture of that too.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to sit back with one of my rats and carnivorously devour this double-bacon cheeseburger. (or I would if I was at home....*mutter*)



jaguar  Wednesday Jul 28 09:05 AM

Bit of a difference between a peaceful protest and boarding with the intention to sink wolf.

PETA needs to stop blowing it's damn feet off, they're a bunch of damn nutjobs. There are some things I agree with - meat production is a very inefficient way to get food, animals should be slaughtered harmlessly and those kind of reasonable things but if they think my cat wants to be thrown into the forrest to fend for itself I wish they could ask it personally so she could scratch their eyes out.



Troubleshooter  Wednesday Jul 28 09:08 AM

Something the French got at least partially right.



Troubleshooter  Wednesday Jul 28 09:16 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolf
I think that they should issue tags for PETA members, just in case one accidentally gets in between you and a deer.

The idiots trying to board the sub sound more like Greenpeace ... or there is also a more radical batch of those fellahs ... Sea Shepherd, I think.
Bet they hate it when the shoe is on the other foot.


jaguar  Wednesday Jul 28 09:17 AM

because killing journos and sinking a private boat protesting that oh-so-defenceable activity of irradiating the pacific is a defenceable act.



Troubleshooter  Wednesday Jul 28 09:21 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaguar
because killing journos and sinking a private boat protesting that oh-so-defenceable activity of irradiating the pacific is a defenceable act.
We can't fall into the habit of dismissing everything they do just because they are a bunch of wackos.

Nuclear waste is bad, no doubt. What's the word on renewed radioactive fuels these days by the way?


jdbutler  Wednesday Jul 28 09:50 AM

When they finish, will it be "P.E.T.A. bred"?



Undertoad  Wednesday Jul 28 09:56 AM

Where's the smiley for groan.

:p



dar512  Wednesday Jul 28 10:58 AM

Here you go:



elf  Wednesday Jul 28 11:05 AM

I was amused:

Two bumper stickers, one car:

1: Meat is Murder!!

2: I {heart} my Shar-pei

Uhm, pardon, but what do you feed your dog?




jdbutler  Wednesday Jul 28 11:33 AM

[quote=elf]



1: Meat is Murder!!
Beat it till it dies!

2: I {heart} my Shar-pei
Hey dude, that's my Sharpei!

Uhm, pardon, but what do you feed your dog?
He's an Alpoholic...

I know, groan - groan.



Cyber Wolf  Wednesday Jul 28 11:59 AM

What's funny is that people are actually feeding their carnivorous animals a strict vegetarian diet. I believe there's even dog and cat feed out there for that purpose. Granted, dogs and cats will eat grass and nibble greenery but it's for helping to clear out the GI tract, not for food. It's like a human eating nothing but Metamucil or FiberCon and calling it food.



Catwoman  Wednesday Jul 28 12:05 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Troubleshooter
We can't fall into the habit of dismissing everything they do just because they are a bunch of wackos.
Indeed, that would be an ad hominem argument.

They are fucked up though.


Troubleshooter  Wednesday Jul 28 12:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Catwoman
Indeed, that would be an ad hominem argument.

They are fucked up though.
That's the problem, their fuckupedness severly damages a legitimate issue.

Is there a moderate/centrist environmental group out there?


jaguar  Wednesday Jul 28 12:29 PM

Depends where you stand really. I mean there are still people that refuse to believe global warming is possible, despite the overwhelming scientific evidence and then those who just think we can turn up the aircon. Tell that to a farmer who's land is being overrun by the Gobi desert or a citizen of the maldives.

The thing is, when you really bother to do the reasearch the damage we're doing to our planet is incredible and the changes needed to make it sustainable are huge. Suddenly extreme just makes a bit more sense.



Troubleshooter  Wednesday Jul 28 12:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaguar
The thing is, when you really bother to do the reasearch the damage we're doing to our planet is incredible and the changes needed to make it sustainable are huge. Suddenly extreme just makes a bit more sense.
I agree that change needs to occur, but like we've noted before, the nuts ruin their credibility.

How much does Greenpeace and PETA actually accomplish? Net gain, don't pick and choose.

As teh world grows more and more populated, credibility, the ability to overcome popular opinion to achieve an end, becomes more and more important.


Troubleshooter  Wednesday Jul 28 12:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaguar
Depends where you stand really.
I stand in the middle.

The middle is where the results come from.


wolf  Wednesday Jul 28 02:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Troubleshooter
Anybody else have a good laugh reading the sidebar that indicates that the French did it?


wolf  Wednesday Jul 28 02:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Troubleshooter
Is there a moderate/centrist environmental group out there?
There used to be ... Nature Conservancy and The Sierra Club (they do a nice appointment calendar) always seemed fairly moderate, however one of these organizations, I seem to recall, hired or appointed some notoriously radical member of Greenpeace to a position with impact on the org's mission and activities.


Happy Monkey  Wednesday Jul 28 02:38 PM

Some anti-immigration groups recently failed in a hostile takeover attempt on the Sierra Club, under the guise of "immigration causes overpopulation, which is bad for the environmnt."

Not relevant, but amusing.



wolf  Wednesday Jul 28 02:48 PM

Damn, if that had succeeded I would have had to reinitiate my membership. (yes, I've been a member of all of the organizations discussed at one point in time or another. I have many totebags.)



dar512  Wednesday Jul 28 05:13 PM

That document leads me to believe that there are a number of folks running loose who really ought to be visiting Wolf.



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