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   Undertoad  Tuesday Mar 30 12:39 PM

3/30/2004: Bizarre Nigerian pets



A lurker (or otherwise uncredited person) sends this along, thank you! From this site, which appears to collect such things and wrap them around porn banners, the text indicates that hyenas are probably not going to attack live "prey" - as in, the other humans walking around - but that they do have the strongest jaws of any mammal. That factoid is offered with no checking, btw...

The baboons are another story, and it is not clear how common this kind of thing is - having nasty feral animals on chains as pets in the streets in Nigeria, but I personally have no interest in personally going and checking it out. I think they have convinced me I don't want to go. (Do you?)



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Mar 30 12:42 PM

The only desire I ever had to go to Africa was a vestigial reflex to reinstate an old family tradition.



funkykule  Tuesday Mar 30 12:45 PM

Does anybody know what the red armbands are about?



SteveDallas  Tuesday Mar 30 12:59 PM

Well, I have always wantd to visit Egypt to see the ancient tombs and monuments. But I'm supremely uninterested in seeing any wildlife close up.



jaguar  Tuesday Mar 30 01:43 PM

Love to do Egypt. Considered other parts of news value, otherwise I write off the whole contintent as a backward disaster-prone hellhole.



lumberjim  Tuesday Mar 30 01:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Troubleshooter
The only desire I ever had to go to Africa was a vestigial reflex to reinstate an old family tradition.
I hope you're not hinting at what I think you're hinting at


glatt  Tuesday Mar 30 02:08 PM

Wow. The drug dealers in our country would just love those things. People will see you, be afraid of you and be awed by you at the same time. Forget about a pit bull. It's a fucking hyena!

But putting a muzzle on the one hyena really ruins the effect. I wonder what the details of that story are. Seems like if you are enough of a tough guy to have a hyena for a pet, you aren't going to care if it accidentally bites a kid walking by. It's not like you are going to be subjected to a civil suit in Nigeria.



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Mar 30 02:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim


I hope you're not hinting at what I think you're hinting at
That's why I called it a vestigial reflex. Besides, the plantation fell in the river about 20 years ago.


lumberjim  Tuesday Mar 30 02:13 PM

whatever, massa



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Mar 30 02:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim
whatever, massa
Not me. That was at least 4 generations ago.


lumberjim  Tuesday Mar 30 02:19 PM

your family history does not interest me. the fact that you would post that post is, however, rather enlightening.



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Mar 30 02:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim
your family history does not interest me. the fact that you would post that post is, however, rather enlightening.
That I'm not overburdened with guilt over a historical issue that I had no part in?


lumberjim  Tuesday Mar 30 02:41 PM

no, that's not what I was thinking. And if I need to spell it out for you, you won't hear it anyway.

carry on



Troubleshooter  Tuesday Mar 30 02:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim
no, that's not what I was thinking. And if I need to spell it out for you, you won't hear it anyway.
I don't believe that you know me well enough to make that assessment.

Has there been any point in my time here that I've indicated a lack of desire to accept new ideas?

Isn't it worth effort to be sure?


lumberjim  Tuesday Mar 30 03:02 PM

Quote:
Isn't it worth effort to be sure?
no. I don;t really care that much about whether or not you are open minded.

I just thought it was a fucked up comment. Perhaps you meant it as a harmless joke. Maybe you really are a repressed racist. Either way, my opinion on the matter matters very little. I do know enough about you to know that you will argue well past the point of both of our points being made. I feel like I've made my point. If you have need of more time and more posts to justify your position on this particular matter, go ahead and lay it out. I'll probably read it.


Elspode  Tuesday Mar 30 04:04 PM

Is this what the Nigerians do with all their email scam profits? Buy exotic pets?

Man, that's the last time I'm helping anyone get their millions out of the country.



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Mar 30 07:41 PM

But it's a new twist, send us your banking information or we'll send these guys to get it.



scubadude  Tuesday Mar 30 08:30 PM

As it happens... the image is labeled Nigerian Debt Recoverers - in dutch... these guys will get there money for sure !



lumberjim  Tuesday Mar 30 08:35 PM

welcome scubadude. have you seen our pet clam?



scubadude  Tuesday Mar 30 08:36 PM

Thanks lumberjim... nope... not seen any clams !



Mojo The Monkey  Tuesday Mar 30 10:19 PM

lumberjim , thanks for keeping the gutters around here clean...



wolf  Wednesday Mar 31 01:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by funkykule
Does anybody know what the red armbands are about?
I think they are something tribal, but am still trying to find info. I've seen them before.

I will try to remember to ask folks at work about them ... although I don't think we have any Nigerians ... one Ghanian and two Kenyans.


Griff  Wednesday Mar 31 07:13 AM

Do they keep phrases from the Koran tucked in the armbands? I'm having a brain freeze on the tradition...



OnyxCougar  Wednesday Mar 31 11:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim


no. I don;t really care that much about whether or not you are open minded.

I just thought it was a fucked up comment. Perhaps you meant it as a harmless joke. Maybe you really are a repressed racist. Either way, my opinion on the matter matters very little. I do know enough about you to know that you will argue well past the point of both of our points being made. I feel like I've made my point. If you have need of more time and more posts to justify your position on this particular matter, go ahead and lay it out. I'll probably read it.
Something about Jim's whole response to TS here is disturbing me. I can't articulate it, but still, it's there. I'll have to think about it.


lumberjim  Wednesday Mar 31 12:37 PM

**drums fingers**

well?



dar512  Wednesday Mar 31 03:31 PM

I don't see the problem, Onyx. TS said he is somewhat inclined to resume his family's tradition of slaveholding. LJ called him on it.

I'll stand with LJ on this one. TS's entry was insensitive at best.



lumberjim  Wednesday Mar 31 03:36 PM

I'm wondering if she was surprised that I didn't rake him through it really bad, and defame his character. I was experimenting with subtlety.......It seems to have been effective in this case.



Troubleshooter  Wednesday Mar 31 03:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dar512
I don't see the problem, Onyx. TS said he is somewhat inclined to resume his family's tradition of slaveholding. LJ called him on it.

I'll stand with LJ on this one. TS's entry was insensitive at best.
No, I said I had a "vestigial reflex". A distinctive difference.

And considering some of the humor that floats around here, and elsewhere, sensitivity is not really a criteria that can be applied.

All humor is rooted in someone's misfortune.


lumberjim  Wednesday Mar 31 03:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim
.....It seems to have been effective in this case.
or not


Troubleshooter  Wednesday Mar 31 03:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim


or not
I was going to let it go as it seemed to have struck a negative chord with you.

I hope my consideration wasn't wasted.

Edit: put an "it" where it belonged


lumberjim  Wednesday Mar 31 03:48 PM

consideration noted......very big of you.



OnyxCougar  Wednesday Mar 31 05:56 PM


I think what upsets me is that the statement was made as an attempt at humor (IMO). Sure, the joke was in poor taste, and not very funny, but I don't think that it warranted the vitriol with which Jim responded.

I see it as Jim just going off the deep end with it and it makes me want to watch what I post, lest it's seen in an unfavorable light and someone decides its racist or whatever and they sttack my character over a freakin joke.



Skunks  Wednesday Mar 31 06:31 PM

I sort of snickered at the original "sometimes, I want to go to Africa and enslave people" comment.

After all, comedy = tragedy + time.

If a century and change isn't long enough, well, shit. How long /is/?



lumberjim  Wednesday Mar 31 06:37 PM

woof.

I don;t think I attacked his character. I'm all for jokes and funnies and even insults. But when he hinted at a fondness for owning or at least trading slaves, I simply looked askance at him. Then he tried to back away from the comment by saying it was 4 gens ago.

Quote:
I see it as Jim just going off the deep end with it
is luvbugz guiding your hand?

OC, "vitriol?" re-read the thread


OnyxCougar  Wednesday Mar 31 07:06 PM

***sigh*** No, LB is NOT guiding my hand.

vitriolic :acidic; shitty;

TS: The only desire I ever had to go to Africa was a vestigial reflex to reinstate an old family tradition.

LJ: I hope you're not hinting at what I think you're hinting at

TS: That's why I called it a vestigial reflex. Besides, the plantation fell in the river about 20 years ago.

LJ: whatever, massa

TS: Not me. That was at least 4 generations ago.

LJ: your family history does not interest me. the fact that you would post that post is, however, rather enlightening.

TS: That I'm not overburdened with guilt over a historical issue that I had no part in?

LJ: no, that's not what I was thinking. And if I need to spell it out for you, you won't hear it anyway. carry on

TS: I don't believe that you know me well enough to make that assessment. Has there been any point in my time here that I've indicated a lack of desire to accept new ideas? Isn't it worth effort to be sure?

LJ: no. I don;t really care that much about whether or not you are open minded. I just thought it was a fucked up comment. Perhaps you meant it as a harmless joke. Maybe you really are a repressed racist. Either way, my opinion on the matter matters very little. I do know enough about you to know that you will argue well past the point of both of our points being made. I feel like I've made my point. If you have need of more time and more posts to justify your position on this particular matter, go ahead and lay it out. I'll probably read it.
---
I'm wondering if she was surprised that I didn't rake him through it really bad, and defame his character. I was experimenting with subtlety.......It seems to have been effective in this case.


I HAVE read it, and since you "started it" by calling him massa, I think he had every right to defend himself by saying that he is not a slave owner, that it was 4 generations ago. Instead of letting it lie, you then say you don't care that he is not a slave master, but that his post is enlightening. In the context of the post, one would infer you consider him to be racist. Instead of speaking plainly, you attempt to "subtly" call him a racist. TS responds, subtly asking you to speak plainly and cut the crap. You reply with "If I have to explain it you wouldn't listen" passive-aggressiveness, in the process, calling TS closeminded.
He replies he is not closeminded and further says that you can look at his track record here on the cellar to prove it. Then jim say that it really doesn't matter, he's "made his point" although he never clearly stated it, and then says if TS wants to prove that he's not a racist, he'll "probably" read it.

First of all, if you're gonna call someone a racist, call him a racist and don't be a pussy about it. Secondly, if anyone calls ME a racist, and I get my hands on them they'll be eating their nuts for breakfast. Thirdly, it was a fucking joke. And with all the bad jokes you've throw around here, jim, I'd have thought you'd be more understanding instead of calling people a racist.

[/rant]



Sun_Sparkz  Wednesday Mar 31 08:23 PM

they have very scary looking bats in their hands to acompany the intimidating choice of pet..

and also, those chains look a little heavy for those poor hyenas, i wonder how well looked after they are?



Troubleshooter  Wednesday Mar 31 08:38 PM

I was just doing a quick look-see about Nigeria and I ran across this web site.

The 419 Coalition

The Nigerian Scam Defined

A Five Billion US$ (as of 1996, much more now) worldwide Scam which has run since the early 1980's under Successive Governments of Nigeria. It is also referred to as "Advance Fee Fraud", "419 Fraud" (Four-One-Nine) after the relevant section of the Criminal Code of Nigeria, and "The Nigerian Connection" (mostly in Europe). However, it is usually called plain old "419" even by the Nigerians themselves.

...

The Nigerian Scam is, according to published reports, the Third to Fifth largest industry in Nigeria. It is the 419 Coalition view that, in effect, the elites from which successive Governments of Nigeria have been drawn ARE the Scammers - therefore, victims have little recourse in this matter. Monies stolen by 419 operations are almost Never Recovered from Nigeria.



wolf  Wednesday Mar 31 09:20 PM

My departmental secretary wants to be a slave, yet she gets a hair up her ass if anyone asks her to type, file, or make coffee.

I don't get it.



Troubleshooter  Wednesday Mar 31 09:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by wolf
My departmental secretary wants to be a slave, yet she gets a hair up her ass if anyone asks her to type, file, or make coffee.

I don't get it.
She wants someone to Top her?


wolf  Wednesday Mar 31 09:34 PM

Yes, her mid life crisis is going differently than that of many women I know.



Troubleshooter  Wednesday Mar 31 09:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by wolf
Yes, her mid life crisis is going differently than that of many women I know.
Then there is the problem.

Some bottoms are bottom all of the time and all that needs to be done is for her to get Topped one time at work and she'll fall into line.

Some bottoms are only bottom at home and you just have to deal with them as if they were normal, or whatever passes for normal for her.


BrianR  Wednesday Mar 31 10:20 PM

Careful there big fella.

Topping at work, especially a newbie, can be an explosive thing.

Go for a mild introduction like a sex tour or class.

You can find info about these and more at this link.

I can vouch for the hostess of this site...she may be a bit behind in the site maintenance but she's one of the best fetish people I know, and that's saying a lot.

Brian



Sun_Sparkz  Wednesday Mar 31 11:13 PM

at risk of sounding totally inexperienced and pure ( ) WTF is topping
????



lumberjim  Thursday Apr 1 12:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by OnyxCougar
***sigh*** No, LB is NOT guiding my hand.

vitriolic :acidic; shitty;

~~snipped~~

I HAVE read it, and since you "started it" by calling him massa, I think he had every right to defend himself by saying that he is not a slave owner, that it was 4 generations ago. Instead of letting it lie, you then say you don't care that he is not a slave master, but that his post is enlightening. In the context of the post, one would infer you consider him to be racist. Instead of speaking plainly, you attempt to "subtly" call him a racist. TS responds, subtly asking you to speak plainly and cut the crap. You reply with "If I have to explain it you wouldn't listen" passive-aggressiveness, in the process, calling TS closeminded.
He replies he is not closeminded and further says that you can look at his track record here on the cellar to prove it. Then jim say that it really doesn't matter, he's "made his point" although he never clearly stated it, and then says if TS wants to prove that he's not a racist, he'll "probably" read it.

First of all, if you're gonna call someone a racist, call him a racist and don't be a pussy about it. Secondly, if anyone calls ME a racist, and I get my hands on them they'll be eating their nuts for breakfast. Thirdly, it was a fucking joke. And with all the bad jokes you've throw around here, jim, I'd have thought you'd be more understanding instead of calling people a racist.

[/rant]
You pick some odd battles cougar. But if you want to call me a pussy for calling someone on a thinly veiled racist comment that was far from funny, you'd better pack a lunch.

let's go through this.

Quote:
I HAVE read it, and since you "started it" by calling him massa, I think he had every right to defend himself by saying that he is not a slave owner, that it was 4 generations ago.
His comment(which you so graciously quoted along with the rest of the thread that he and i wrote, but which you apparently think i may have forgotten even though i was there at the time and know what I said and how i said it........*gulps air*) was made in the present tense. He speaks of having the urge to reinstate slavery. A vestigial urge. So, he doesn;t really mean it, but the urge matters. the fact that when the topic of visiting africa came up, he thought about slaves. It's a joke. But if you think for a moment about where jokes come from, it's not that funny.

For it to be funny to him, he must have walked down that road at least a short way. He, at least had sense enough to back away from the topic when he realized it didn;t come across as funny, and perhaps he had revealed a side of him that he did not intend to bare.

And yet, you for reasons which I cannot know, but have two working theories on right now, decide to defend his right to joke about what ever by reminding me that i like to joke around too. I do joke. I might even offend some people. I'm sure I've offended a lot of gay people by acusing tw of being one of them. what's the difference? I'll tell you:

It's one thing to joke about race or slaves in the third person, but when you include yourself in the joke, cast as the slavemaster, as TS did, you open yourself to a heaping helping of judgement from those that witness it.

Quote:
Instead of letting it lie, you then say you don't care that he is not a slave master, but that his post is enlightening. In the context of the post, one would infer you consider him to be racist. Instead of speaking plainly, you attempt to "subtly" call him a racist.
you dumbass.
plain enough?

look. here's where i was when i posted that. see if you can smell what i' m cooking:
I have read enough of his posts to get a flavor for him, and i see him as an arrogant, self involved and self congratulatory honkey. He's not all that funny, he's very impressed with himself for being a macho submarine guy, and his own wife doesn;t even like him. therefore, i don;t give a shit whether he's open minded or not, i just wanted to let him know that i thought that it was shitty thing to say. It was mean spirited, not jocular. elitist and shitty.

as far as being subtle goes:

The tone that was set by troubleshooter was a subtle tone. he hinted at wanting to own slaves. So i told him that i hoped he wasn;t really hinting at owning people. Now, if it were me, and I'd made an innapropriate comment like that, and someone raised an eyebrow toward me, i'd have backed right off of it. he didn't. he opened his mouth again, and put the other foot in it when he referred to the plantation.
Quote:
TS responds, subtly asking you to speak plainly and cut the crap. You reply with "If I have to explain it you wouldn't listen" passive-aggressiveness, in the process, calling TS closeminded.
this part, i think, you misunderstand. understandably, though.
I wasn't calling him close minded. I was saying that he should know what was wrong about his comment without me having to tell him. if he DIDN:T, then chances ARE pretty good that he is close minded. In my estimation, he did NOT need me to explain it.....I think he knew where i took umbrage.

Quote:
Then jim say that it really doesn't matter, he's "made his point" although he never clearly stated it, and then says if TS wants to prove that he's not a racist, he'll "probably" read it.
yeah...like i said, i don't care if he's closed or open minded. it wasnt about him. it was about him painted as a laughing slavelord. not funny
i was done, i had made my point, and i didn't see the need to drag it out and make him look any worse than he did.
and yet, for some reason, you need to smear it all over the place, and pick through it.

Quote:
if anyone calls ME a racist, and I get my hands on them they'll be eating their nuts for breakfast.
verrrry impressive. you're very tough. i.....am....so.....scared.

eh hem: you're a racist!

I'll be up around 7am, i'd like my balls hard bolied with salt, please. pm me for my address.

Quote:
And with all the bad jokes you've throw around here, jim, I'd have thought you'd be more understanding instead of calling people a racist.
I've made a lot of jokes. only two of them were bad, though.


Elspode  Thursday Apr 1 12:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wolf
My departmental secretary wants to be a slave, yet she gets a hair up her ass if anyone asks her to type, file, or make coffee.

I don't get it.
This is not terribly uncommon. For some reason, the desire to be a submissive doesn't correlate with willingness to do menial tasks or act submissive in the real world outside of playtime. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Many who are subs during their acted out fantasies are actually powerful, no-bullshit leaders; motivated, Type A people in the mundane world.

Go figure...


Elspode  Thursday Apr 1 12:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim

I've made a lot of jokes. only two of them were bad, though.
This is a tough exchange to read. Two people I like getting a real good start at each others' throats.

Pretty prime example of just how fucked up racism is, huh? It is so fucked up that it is difficult to even talk about it, and God forbid anyone jokes about it, unless they are a member of the oppressed minority.

This is all educational in a real uncomfortable way...


lumberjim  Thursday Apr 1 01:21 AM

sorry, spodio.

I still like OC. I don't even harbor much ill will toward TS. I was trying to be vague about it at first, but i think it is a topic that OC wants to explore a little further. One of those theories i mentioned. I think that OC sometimes takes a side of an argument for the sake of drawing more out of it.......devils advocate, as it were...... I'm surprised that she has taken the side of TS in this though, because, i think he was definatley in the wrong in saying the things he said. It wasn;t all that big a deal, but it's sure becoming one now, huh?

It IS tricky when two people you like argue. it's bound to happen though, neh? I noticed it when dave attacked Lsyc shortly before he left. Dare I say that I think it might have had some bearing on what went down.

Oh, and OC, i've changed my mind......i'd like my balls poached, not boiled.



Beestie  Thursday Apr 1 01:45 AM

Quote:
I'm surprised that she has taken the side of TS in this
I didn't get the impression that she was on TS' side as much as she was just not on yours, fwiw.

I took TS' comment pretty much the same way you did btw. Askance is the first word that popped into my head at the time.

But, if he says its a joke then fine. I didn't take the retraction as seriously but as more of a dusting over of the tracks with a bit of a smirk.


lumberjim  Thursday Apr 1 01:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Beestie
I didn't get the impression that she was on TS' side as much as she was just not on yours, fwiw.

I took TS' comment pretty much the same way you did btw. Askance is the first word that popped into my head at the time.

But, if he says its a joke then fine. I didn't take the retraction as seriously but as more of a dusting over of the tracks with a bit of a smirk.
aptly put


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Apr 1 07:09 AM

Itís strange how someone can hear (read) a statement and form a complete line of what they believe to be logical thought about the motives, attitude and even opinion of that poster.
When I read SMís comment, I got the impression he was saying he had zero interest in Africa. By saying the ONLY reason he would possibly go there, would be the vestigial urge to revive slave trade, reinforced zero interest because that idea is so ridiculous and outrageous.
It didnít strike me as a wistful desire to return to the plantation or the least bit racist, but Iím not one to look for hidden meanings. I try not to read too much into offhand comments but if something strikes me as strange, Iíd rather ask than accuse.
When you get on your high horse it might turn out to be a tall jackass.



funkykule  Thursday Apr 1 07:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Itís strange how someone can hear (read) a statement and form a complete line of what they believe to be logical thought about the motives, attitude and even opinion of that poster.
.

But you do realise that you just did the same thing? You took what you felt to be the real meaning of what TS said and formed your own opinions on it, as did LJ. You can't put LJ down for doing something you did differrently.
As for asking and not accusing, I agree with you but we all jump to conclusions.( For some people its their only form of exercise!)


lumberjim  Thursday Apr 1 08:47 AM

i did start by asking, didnt i?



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Apr 1 09:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim
i did start by asking, didnt i?
Yes you did. And when he pointed out vestigial, which means "A visible trace, evidence, or sign of something that once existed but exists or appears no more" you accused, based on your opinion of what he meant.
I think you made more out of a bad joke than it warranted. It's easy enough to pick on SM for himself, without his forefathers.


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Apr 1 09:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by funkykule



But you do realise that you just did the same thing? You took what you felt to be the real meaning of what TS said and formed your own opinions on it, as did LJ. You can't put LJ down for doing something you did differrently.
As for asking and not accusing, I agree with you but we all jump to conclusions.( For some people its their only form of exercise!)
Absolutely, that was my point. Everyone does it but I wanted to point out that making serious accusations on your take, may be unwarranted because there are other ways to interpret the statement. My intention was not to censor but to caution.


Troubleshooter  Thursday Apr 1 09:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Yes you did. And when he pointed out vestigial, which means "A visible trace, evidence, or sign of something that once existed but exists or appears no more" you accused, based on your opinion of what he meant.
I think you made more out of a bad joke than it warranted. It's easy enough to pick on SM for himself, without his forefathers.
Ok, to clarify.

1) My family owned slaves at one point
2) I think ethnic/social/cultural/racial humor is funny
3) I have a fucked up family history of my own: German/French and Scot/Irish
4) I in no way retracted my joke nor attempted to gloss it over
5) I tried to back away from the situation because what is happening now is what I expected to happen when irrationality sets in
6) I used the word vestigial in its biological sense because it's true:

ves∑tige P Pronunciation Key (vstj)
n.
A visible trace, evidence, or sign of something that once existed but exists or appears no more.
Biology. A rudimentary or degenerate, usually nonfunctioning, structure that is the remnant of an organ or part that was fully developed or functioning in a preceding generation or an earlier stage of development.

7) The humor I was attempting was rooted in that we are an evolving culture but that we still have some junk social DNA left over
8) And there are still some jokes to br drawn from the picture if you can step away from the urge to make one travesty any worse than the other ones that have occured in this country
9) Like I said before all humor is rooted in someone's misforture. If nobody gets hurt, nobody laughs

In closing I'd like to say that I'm in no way mad at anyone or upset at this exchange. Just surprised.

Edit: CR


OnyxCougar  Thursday Apr 1 09:32 AM

You pick some odd battles cougar. But if you want to call me a pussy for calling someone on a thinly veiled racist comment that was far from funny, you'd better pack a lunch.


This was never intended to be a battle. I felt something off about your comments that I didn't like, and when pressed, I gave my opinion, which can be bolied down to:

I think it was fucked up that TS made a joke and ended up being called a racist. And of all people, I'm suprised most that it was you doing the insulting. That's what bothered me in the first place. I like you, Jim, but I do not understand why you always feel like you have to stir the shit and open the cans all the time.

And Beestie is correct in that I'm not "taking up" for TS. I just don't agree with how you attempted to say what you said. If you wanna call TS a racist, don't be passive agressive about it, just fucking say it. THAT is the Jim I've come to respect.

And is that a 3 minute poach or you want em runny in the middle?



lumberjim  Thursday Apr 1 10:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by OnyxCougar
You pick some odd battles cougar. But if you want to call me a pussy for calling someone on a thinly veiled racist comment that was far from funny, you'd better pack a lunch.


This was never intended to be a battle. I felt something off about your comments that I didn't like, and when pressed, I gave my opinion, which can be bolied down to:

I think it was fucked up that TS made a joke and ended up being called a racist. And of all people, I'm suprised most that it was you doing the insulting. That's what bothered me in the first place. I like you, Jim, but I do not understand why you always feel like you have to stir the shit and open the cans all the time.

And Beestie is correct in that I'm not "taking up" for TS. I just don't agree with how you attempted to say what you said. If you wanna call TS a racist, don't be passive agressive about it, just fucking say it. THAT is the Jim I've come to respect.

And is that a 3 minute poach or you want em runny in the middle?
man. you call me a passive aggressive pussy and it's not a battle?
I was simply saying that i thought he was treading dangerous ground. He had the sense to let it drop. I intentionally DIDN;T stir the shit at that point, and kept my comment vague. I stated that I had made my point( and since you STILL don't get my point, it was this: you shouldnt make racist jokes in the 1st person) and I let it go. If anyone stirred shit in this thread it was YOU. The matter had settled, but you still wanted to talk about it. I usually try to see other people's sides of an argument, but I admit that i'm having a hard time doing it on this one.


Undertoad  Thursday Apr 1 11:00 AM

You guys do realize that you're having an argument about how to have an argument?



lumberjim  Thursday Apr 1 11:05 AM

no we're not.



Troubleshooter  Thursday Apr 1 11:07 AM

Are too.



jaguar  Thursday Apr 1 11:28 AM

You've all got sand in your twats.

Quote:
In fact, it is quite the opposite. Many who are subs during their acted out fantasies are actually powerful, no-bullshit leaders; motivated, Type A people in the mundane world.
Makes perfect sense to me, it's a fantasy, something they cannot act out in real life.


OnyxCougar  Thursday Apr 1 12:02 PM


Oh you're the only one that can be passive agressive now?

whatever, massa.



OnyxCougar  Thursday Apr 1 12:04 PM

Incidentally, I *know* I should just let this go. But I can't. I'm really not trying to pick a fight, and I really don't know why I don't just shut up. Probably because I really don't know how to articulate what I feel is wrong, and since I've already fucked it up, I guess I might as well take another bite of the shit sandwich. Anybody got some ketchup?



lumberjim  Thursday Apr 1 12:14 PM

well, once you figure out what's really bothering you, you let me know. Until then, I'll shut up about it if you will.



linknoid  Friday Apr 2 01:23 PM

Sorry for interrupting the flamefest (although it does appear to have moved to other threads), but I actually wanted to put some comments on the actual picture. My roommate is from Nigeria so I figured he would be a good person to ask about the picture, but I haven't had a chance to talk to him since the picture was posted. Finally I asked him about it this morning.

First off, he's never seen people walking around with hyenas on leashes before, and suggested that that picture was probably taken in certain areas of one of the big cities, possibly the biggest one, in areas you definitely wouldn't want to go (think of the most dangerous inner city areas in the US, with gangs and such, same kind of thing). He said if he could see the guys faces better, he could tell where they're from. He said there's no way people would be keeping hyenas simply as pets, the purpose is definitely for showing off.

About the armbands, he said they're pretty common, made of leather, and a lot of people wear them, especially hunters, and usually use it to carry a knife, with the blade between the armband and the skin. I asked if they were gang related, and he said no, but it's possible the color of the hat might be.

He also suggested another possibility. He said there's a lot of people who practice black magic over there, and one thing they do is write stuff on their arm and then put the armband over it. He said that it gives them a lot of power, and one guy might be able to fight off 20 hyenas at once, or have a wild bear do what it's told, using this black magic. I don't know how much of that I believe is accurate, but he said these people can do some really freaky stuff. Anyway, he said it's most likely these guys are just showing off their powers by keeping hyenas like that.

I didn't ask about the baboons. Maybe it's the same kind of thing?



That Guy  Friday Apr 2 02:07 PM

Faint recollections of Nic Name are floating in my head.

I guess it's a good thing these Nigerians don't have Jews on those chains.



warch  Friday Apr 2 03:01 PM

Or Nigerians.



ladysycamore  Friday Apr 2 03:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by OnyxCougar

First of all, if you're gonna call someone a racist, call him a racist and don't be a pussy about it. Secondly, if anyone calls ME a racist, and I get my hands on them they'll be eating their nuts for breakfast. Thirdly, it was a fucking joke. And with all the bad jokes you've throw around here, jim, I'd have thought you'd be more understanding instead of calling people a racist.

[/rant]
Damn! I'm thinking, "If anyone should be offended, shouldn't it be *ME*?" :p Quite honestly, the comment rolled right off of my shoulders. I did get a chuckle out of it, but then after I thought about it, I was like, "Hey!" but not like I was going to go after TS with the verbal bitchslap or anything.

I'm learning to pick and choose my battles very carefully nowadays.


ladysycamore  Friday Apr 2 03:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Elspode


This is not terribly uncommon. For some reason, the desire to be a submissive doesn't correlate with willingness to do menial tasks or act submissive in the real world outside of playtime. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Many who are subs during their acted out fantasies are actually powerful, no-bullshit leaders; motivated, Type A people in the mundane world.

Go figure...
You are very correct with that fact. I know of such a submissive. He's a leader at his job (car sales). Sometimes, I would be on the phone with him, and he'd tell me to hold on, and I would hear him giving someone orders to do thus and so (and in a tone that meant business!). However, when he would talk to me from his home, his tone changed dramatically and he would ask permission for him to call me "Mistress". (long story) :p Go figure.


ladysycamore  Friday Apr 2 03:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim
I stated that I had made my point( and since you STILL don't get my point, it was this: you shouldnt make racist jokes in the 1st person) and I let it go.
Maybe it's best to not make a racist joke period, but that's just me.


Troubleshooter  Friday Apr 2 04:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ladysycamore


Maybe it's best to not make a racist joke period, but that's just me.
To borrow a line from someone who makes a living off of racism.

"Who's more racist? Black people or white people?

Black people, cuz we hate niggahs too!"

I think he's pretty damn funny. The only reason he gets away with it is because he's black, and funny.

Who remembers Mel Brooks back when he was funny?


wolf  Friday Apr 2 05:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ladysycamore


You are very correct with that fact. I know of such a submissive. He's a leader at his job (car sales). Sometimes, I would be on the phone with him, and he'd tell me to hold on, and I would hear him giving someone orders to do thus and so (and in a tone that meant business!). However, when he would talk to me from his home, his tone changed dramatically and he would ask permission for him to call me "Mistress". (long story) :p Go figure.
and here I thought you only recently met lumberjim ...


lumberjim  Friday Apr 2 09:27 PM

goddammit, wolf. That was too easy. no points for that one. low degree of difficulty.



lumberjim  Friday Apr 2 09:31 PM

and another thing:


Quote:
he would ask permission for him to call me "Mistress". (long story) Go figure.
oh, no no. Let's have the "long story"......We're not going anywhere.


blue58  Friday Apr 2 09:45 PM

No shit?!



wolf  Friday Apr 2 09:49 PM

Checked with the Ghanian ... he has no clue about the armband thing.



That Guy  Saturday Apr 3 05:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Troubleshooter


To borrow a line from someone who makes a living off of racism.

"Who's more racist? Black people or white people?

Black people, cuz we hate niggahs too!"

I think he's pretty damn funny. The only reason he gets away with it is because he's black, and funny.

Who remembers Mel Brooks back when he was funny?
Where are the white women at?


Troubleshooter  Saturday Apr 3 10:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by That Guy

Where are the white women at?
I just ripped that movie to my laptop for when I need a pick me up. Damn funny.


Michael Roth  Friday Jun 18 08:44 PM

I was reminded of this thread today when I read this:

http://allafrica.com/stories/200406170377.html



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Jun 18 08:46 PM

Dead link.



Michael Roth  Friday Jun 18 08:59 PM

Okeedokee. well, this is the gist of it:

Yoinked from Allafrica.com,


Hyena, Monkey Robbery Gang Arrested

This Day (Lagos)

June 17, 2004
Posted to the web June 17, 2004

Jare Ilelaboye
Katsina

Four armed gang who used a hyena and a monkey to rob their victims in Katsina State have been arrested by the police after a gun duel in Bichi, headquarters of Bichi Local Government of Kano State.

According to a statement made available to newsmen in Katsina, the robbers who were seven in number went to Kankia market in Kankia Local Government of Katsina State to display with the animals while they robbed their victims of N66,000 during their operation.


Shortly after their operation, the statement added, the robbers took to their heels and they were chased by the police down to Bichi in Kano State where they engaged the police in a gun battle which led to the death of two of the robbers.

During the battle with the police, the gang let off the hyena and monkey to fight with the police during which the animals bit one of the policemen who is now lying critically ill at the Katsina General Hospital.

Two of the robbers were killed while four of them arrested on the spot.





The police had however killed the two animals during the fight in Bichi.

Meanwhile, two robbers have been arrested by the police in Funtua for allegedly burgling the home of the former Minister for Special Duties during the Abacha administration in the country Alhaji Wada Nas.



xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Jun 19 05:57 AM

Thanks Mike.



GuyNamedGuy  Tuesday Jun 22 05:00 PM

DEAR SIRS

BY GOOD FORTUNE I FOUND YOUR WEBSITE. I AM DOCTOR BUFASTIA KELLINDIKOME FORMER MINISTER OF PETS IN THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT. I RECENTLY FOUND A FORGOTTEN PET STORE HERE IN NIGERIA WITH SIXTEEN MILLION (16,000,000) HYENAS AND BABOONS. IF I CAN FIND BY GOD'S HELP AN ASSISTANT TO HELP ME MOVE THESE PETS OUT OF NIGERIA I WILL SHARE THE HYENAS AND BABOONS WITH WHOEVER HELPS ME. I WILL KEEP 65% OF THEM, YOU WILL GET 30% AND 5% WILL GO FOR ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS WE MAY INCUR.

IF YOU CAN HELP PLEASE LET ME KNOW. PLEASE INCLUDE RETURN CONTACT AND BANK ACCOUNT INFORMATON TO ASSIST IN THIS DELICATE TRANSACTION. LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU SOON.

In all seriousness, though: just what they need in a country with not-terrifically-great health care are pets that can shred you, or literally rip your arm out and beat you to death with it. Lagos, the capital of Nigeria, is noted for being the largest city in the world with no sewer system - 7 million folks the last time I checked. Good luck keeping those wounds clean!



York  Friday Jun 25 07:43 AM

If u wanna see a man who is great at makin fun... try true google or something and look for Azhar Usman....



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Jun 25 06:54 PM

NAME: AZHAR USMAN
AGE/DOB: 27 Y/O - DECEMBER 23, 1975
HEIGHT: 5' 14"
WEIGHT: SLIGHTLY OVER
EYES/HAIR COLOR: BROWN/BLACK
HOME TOWN: SKOKIE, ILLINOIS
CURRENT TOWN/NEIGHBORHOOD: MORTON GROVE, ILLINOIS
DAY JOB: BLOODSUCKER ... UH, I MEAN, ATTORNEY
HOBBIES: SLEEPING, EATING, NAPPING, AND SNACKING
"I consider myself a very patriotic American Muslim, which I means I would die for this country ... by blowing myself up ... inside a Dunkin Donuts."




latjoor  Saturday Jul 17 01:16 PM

Those armbands are a religious thing, a sort of charm, typically they're intended to protect the wearer from something particular. Different ones have different purposes, so you'd have to ask those guys to know what they're for. Maybe they're supposed to protect them from the animals! They can be seen across West Africa, they're not a "tribal" thing as they're not related to a particular tribe. These days in Muslim areas they typically contain verses from the Koran written on a little piece of paper, folded up small and tucked into the puch. That's a repackaging of an older, pre-Islamic tradition where they use other things (I don't know what). Nigeria does not have a Muslim majority, although the north is mostly Muslim, so it's hard to even guess what's in these without more information. Also, unlike most (any?) of you, I actually have been to Africa.



York  Saturday Jul 17 01:36 PM

ive never been in Africa, but it is indeed a symbol, but it is one of different things.....some clans use it more as a sign not to mess with them, some have them for more religious reasons, but there s a lot a contradiction around it...
The "modern" africans say they dont believe in the power of sign anymore ...the more traditional keepin the faith...its like everywhere in the world...I work with a lot of refugees from several different african country's and the story's i hear sometimes...



xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Jul 17 04:27 PM

Welcome to the Cellar, latjoor.

Quote:
Originally Posted by latjoor
Also, unlike most (any?) of you, I actually have been to Africa.
Why? Business, travel, family?


BrianR  Saturday Jul 17 06:11 PM

I, too, have been to Africa. Djibouti. SA. I was not impressed.



Cyber Wolf  Tuesday Jul 20 01:35 PM

My mother's been to Ghana, Africa, does that count?



York  Tuesday Jul 20 02:08 PM

SA was (and is) is most places occupied by White people...You can still see the influences.....some places i hear are real nice.....there is a difference in SA and A , and Ghana counts off course....U move 1 bench forward!



wolf  Wednesday Jul 21 02:48 AM

When one of our psychiatrist's retires to Ghana I have an open invitation to join him as the head of security for his compound ...



Fresh  Thursday Jul 28 07:24 AM

In case anyone's interested, there's a photographer who's put up a series of photos of the Hyena People of Nigeria: link to Pieter Hugo's gallery



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Jul 28 03:33 PM

Cool, thanks Fresh.



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