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   xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Jul 11 11:12 PM

July 12th, 2018: Feel Good Day

Ok, I had a different IOtD ready but decided to do something different today because Iím doing it and youíre not.
After a hump day you need a boost to get you to Friday.
Gene Work and his brother-in-law Mark Rouco, of Pasco County Florida were laying new sod in Geneís yard. The last four pallets
had just been delivered and Gene was freaked because the HOA was going to drop a huge fine on them if they didnít git-r-done.

Just to make life more interesting Gene has a massive heart attack(whole right coronary artery was completely clogged) which really
cramps his sod laying style. Call 911, Pasco County Ambulance, EMTs and Fire truck to the rescue. As they whisk Gene and Mrs Gene
away heís freaked the sod will die and he wonít make the HOA deadline but doesnít mention the fine.

Mark bro-in-law stays behind with a two year old and vows to do his best to beat the fine. As heís working he hears the Fire truck
and Ambulance return. Seven of the EMTs and Firemen don gloves to lay sod since they knew Gene wasnít going to be able to for
some time and the sod would die.
They didnít know about the HOA fine, but I donít know if they knew next month Mrs Gene (Melissa) goes in for a bone marrow transplant.





Now donít that warm your cockles?

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BigV  Thursday Jul 12 12:14 AM

Cockles warmed, thank you xoB.

as for HOAs, ... I'm feeling a... chill.



Griff  Thursday Jul 12 07:18 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigV View Post
Cockles warmed, thank you xoB.

as for HOAs, ... I'm feeling a... chill.
Precisely this.


Carruthers  Thursday Jul 12 10:42 AM

Well done to all the emergency service personnel involved!

I wonder if a stateside Dwellar would answer a question, please?
As I understand it, HOA stands for Home Owners Association.
The only context in which I have seen reference to an HOA is in an apartment block where it manages and maintains the common parts of the building and grounds.
As far as I can make out from the article, the house mentioned is a private self-contained dwelling.
In this context, where does the HOA come into it?

Ta!



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Jul 12 11:39 AM

Yes, single home. Here in the US as the suburbs built up the mostly agricultural land got gradually nibbled away as heirs divided and sold grampa's farm. Then only large pieces were left, with prices are far beyond what most can afford. Enter developers with big bucks who buy grampa's farm and put up a shitload of houses made out of ticky tacky and all look just the same. In order to placate buyers that they will continue to all look just the same and I won't buy the place next door with my lottery winnings and turn it into something to degrade your property value, the deeds are written so you submit to the whims of an HOA.

HOA members are all the property owners and elect the board who write and enforce the rules. Because elected means politics, egos, and power struggles, it's a bunch of assholes with a lot of power "protecting your interests". They tell you what color you can paint your front door, you can't have a clothesline, your swing set must be wood, what size flag you can fly on holidays, how high your grass can be, what kind of vehicle you can park in your driveway, and on and on and on.

Some people love it, I would rather sleep in the Greyhound station than live there.



Carruthers  Thursday Jul 12 12:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post

HOA members are all the property owners and elect the board who write and enforce the rules.
Because elected means politics, egos, and power struggles, it's a bunch of assholes with a lot of power "protecting your interests".
Thanks, Bruce.

It sounds like a recipe for festering resentment, petty vendettas and general score settling!

I am only speaking in general terms, but in the UK there are very often covenants in the deeds which people tend to obey or ignore as they think fit.
Again generally, covenants are difficult to enforce and matters only surface when a property is sold.
I'm aware of a local building plot with a derelict bungalow which has a covenant restricting further development.
The trouble is that the covenant is so old it isn't known if there is anyone in a position to enforce it.
The estate agent's blurb mentions that the vendors have taken out insurance against an attempt at enforcement and the premium will be reflected in the sale price. From memory it was about £2000.

Along the road here, there's a general prohibition against keeping poultry.
In a gesture of rebellion I am considering rushing out and buying a dozen Rhode Island Reds.
After I've had my tea, of course.


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Jul 12 02:20 PM

Here's what's happening in Canada.

Quote:
Artisan Gardens, a neighbourhood development in Chemainus, about 80 kilometres north of Victoria, voted 15-4 in favour of adopting a bylaw that prohibits using the roadway "for play, including hockey, baseball, basketball, skateboarding, chalk artistry, bicycling or other sports and recreational activities."



Gravdigr  Thursday Jul 12 04:36 PM

Fuck a HOA.

Why would I pay someone to tell me how I can live my life?

I've never understood that.



Leus  Thursday Jul 12 04:40 PM

*actual fist bump here*



Clodfobble  Thursday Jul 12 11:31 PM

Well, the serious answer is because they also tell your neighbors not to be dickholes. Nobody likes the HOA until they find themselves living next to a hoarder with dead animals in the yard and a 15-foot Nazi flag nailed to the roof. Even if you tell yourself you could just ignore a neighbor like that, the reality is you could never sell your house with that guy next to you.

HOAs are fine as long as they're run by reasonable people without a vendetta. But I have heard a few horror stories where one board member starts using nitpicky bylaws to harass average folks no one had a problem with in the first place.



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Jul 13 12:06 AM

I've seen the nightmares it causes people who don't fit the mold the HOA demands, like a plumber who can't park his pickup in his own driveway overnight because it had his company name painted on the door. Or the people who couldn't put up a clothes pole in the backyard and were forced to use their dryer in the summer, etc, etc.



glatt  Friday Jul 13 01:21 PM

I'm also firmly in the anti-HOA camp. Maybe I've just been lucky with my neighbors.



Undertoad  Friday Jul 13 03:09 PM

The neighbors across the street from me wait until their grass is a foot long, sometimes, before they mow it.

that's what I want in a neighbor, because it makes my lawn look good, even if I'm a few days late getting to it.

ah, renting!



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Jul 13 05:08 PM

My lawn hasn't been mowed this year.



Undertoad  Friday Jul 13 05:25 PM

Well that's just sensible flood control.

The township doesn't come around asking about it, though, do they? Here in middle-middle class mall land, they do come around and issue notices every once in a while. It's not exactly an HOA but it does give the township something to do for their salaries



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Jul 13 09:56 PM

They did a few times over the years, the Fire Marshall even sent me a couple pages out of the national fire code something or other. I told them to fuck off.



BigV  Friday Jul 13 10:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clodfobble View Post
Well, the serious answer is because they also tell your neighbors not to be dickholes. Nobody likes the HOA until they find themselves living next to a hoarder with dead animals in the yard and a 15-foot Nazi flag nailed to the roof. Even if you tell yourself you could just ignore a neighbor like that, the reality is you could never sell your house with that guy next to you.

HOAs are fine as long as they're run by reasonable people without a vendetta. But I have heard a few horror stories where one board member starts using nitpicky bylaws to harass average folks no one had a problem with in the first place.
Yeah, no.

An HOA is no defense against dickholes as neighbors. HOAs run by reasonable people without vendettas probably do have a good chance of being fine, I'll agree to that.

*I* don't like HOAs because I'm not interested in having agents of conformity given additional legally enforceable tools to do their dirty work. Giving these pocket-potentates more hammers to harangue and harass the nail that sticks up, even a little just feels wrong. Full disclosure--I have a very small appetite for conformity to begin with--even driving past one of these named subsubsubdivisions with their aspirational signs at the entrance, or worse, the gate, gives me a mental shot of superiority. Party on you drones in your hive! Driving through them is worse, of course. I've actually been pulled over by the cops and hassled for driving while non-conforming. I had taken the wrong exit from the highway and found myself in this neighborhood for the first time.... fuck. I can't say for sure the cop was employed by the HOA, but the whole Borg-vibe was just... suffocating. The cop helpfully escorted me back to the deeper end of the gene pool.

I don't fit in. They know it. I know it. They're waaay over there, and I'm here and that suits us both.

For the record, I would not like to have a neighbor with a big ass Nazi flag on the roof and I think if one popped up in my neighborhood, an ad hoc HOA might spontaneously coalesce and to express the gravity of such deviant behavior. That's definitely a outlier-ish hypothetical example. As for the dead animals, I... might have a few of them in my own yard out there. Some are owl pellets and some are actual graves. So I'm not quite as judgy on that score.


Griff  Saturday Jul 14 07:30 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
I've seen the nightmares it causes people who don't fit the mold the HOA demands, like a plumber who can't park his pickup in his own driveway overnight because it had his company name painted on the door. Or the people who couldn't put up a clothes pole in the backyard and were forced to use their dryer in the summer, etc, etc.
Yep. My buddy could park his work truck along the curb but never in the driveway... weirdos. I get the intent but for a bunch of government hating rugged individualists we certainly like our petite dictators.


Gravdigr  Saturday Jul 14 05:20 PM

My biggest problem with HOAs is the situation like the 90-something yo veteran who can't fly the flag, for which he fought, on Memorial Day, in his own damn yard, because of HOA rules.

Or whatever that particular situation was.

The only HOA rule I'd ever approve of is one where ya can't mow on Sunday.

I detest Sunday mowers. For some reason. IDK what it is.



Gravdigr  Saturday Jul 14 05:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Griff View Post
Yep. My buddy could park his work truck along the curb but never in the driveway...
A town just across the state line has a city ordnance against backing into your own driveway.


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