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   xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Oct 13 02:21 AM

Oct 13, 2009: Floaters

Has Al Gore got you Freaked?
Afraid to go to sleep, for fear the ocean will rise up and drown you?
Is that what's troubling you, Bunky?

Cue brass band
Well never fear, help is here, we've got the perfect solution for you, Bunky!
It floats, it's got a moat, you'll be high and dry... Holland high... & dry, with...
drumroll The Citadel: Europe’s First Floating Apartment Complex.



Quote:
Olthuis is responsible for a number of floating residences around the world and he thinks that we should stop trying to contain water and learn to live with it. The New Water and the Citadel projects are an attempt to embrace water in the Netherlands, which is almost completely composed of wetlands. The project will be built on a polder, a recessed area below sea level where flood waters settle from heavy rains. There are almost 3500 polders in the Netherlands, and almost all of them are continually pumped dry to keep flood waters from destroying nearby homes and buildings. The New Water Project will purposely allow the polder to flood with water and all the buildings will be perfectly suited to float on top of the rising and falling water.
It will be 25% more energy efficient, because it'll use the water for cooling the building.
Maybe they'll have a fish farm for food, too.

link


SPUCK  Tuesday Oct 13 06:23 AM

Mommy. Johnny pulled out the cork!



ZenGum  Tuesday Oct 13 07:25 AM

Well he knows he's not allowed to put his finger in the dike any more.



wolf  Tuesday Oct 13 08:37 AM

That one time he tried, she gave him a concussion.



Sheldonrs  Tuesday Oct 13 09:40 AM

And when you wash the dishes, whatever you do, don't call it a sink!



jinx  Tuesday Oct 13 10:34 AM

Do they have mosquitos over there?



Shawnee123  Tuesday Oct 13 10:39 AM

*packing bags for big move*



newtimer  Tuesday Oct 13 11:03 AM

Why I don't believe in the religion of 'global' warming:
1) Fill a glass halfway with salt water. (A 3% salt solution, if you can manage it);
2) Put an ice cube in the water. Mark the current water level on the side of the glass;
3) Let the ice cube melt (via hair dryer, microwave oven, window sill, etc. It doesn't matter how);
4) Notice that the new water level has not gone up after the ice melted. If you have a large enough glass and water sample, you might even notice that the water level has gone DOWN slightly.

This, fellow bipeds, is SCIENCE. Anybody can replicate this experiment. Every time, the results will be the same. Yet Al Gore and his whiny followers continue to ignore science and push their contrary religion on us.

Also, I'm curious about the plumbing for the floating condo. Please tell me they've got some flexible tubes that tether the building with the mainland, for delivering fresh water in and carrying the waste out. Oh, please tell me that it's not an experiment in self-sufficiency where the fresh water gets pumped from the pond that the nasty stuff gets flushed into.



Sheldonrs  Tuesday Oct 13 11:22 AM

And don't come a knockin' if this complex is a rockin'!



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Oct 13 11:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by newtimer View Post
Why I don't believe in the religion of 'global' warming:
1) Fill a glass halfway with salt water. (A 3% salt solution, if you can manage it);
2) Put an ice cube in the water. Mark the current water level on the side of the glass;
3) Let the ice cube melt (via hair dryer, microwave oven, window sill, etc. It doesn't matter how);
4) Notice that the new water level has not gone up after the ice melted. If you have a large enough glass and water sample, you might even notice that the water level has gone DOWN slightly.
That's fine for the Arctic, where the ice is floating on the water. But the Antarctic ice is on land, as are the glaciers in Greenland, and around the world.


Hillrick  Tuesday Oct 13 01:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by newtimer View Post
Why I don't believe in the religion of 'global' warming:
1) Fill a glass halfway with salt water. (A 3% salt solution, if you can manage it);
2) Put an ice cube in the water. Mark the current water level on the side of the glass;
3) Let the ice cube melt (via hair dryer, microwave oven, window sill, etc. It doesn't matter how);
4) Notice that the new water level has not gone up after the ice melted. If you have a large enough glass and water sample, you might even notice that the water level has gone DOWN slightly.


Not just in agreement with xoxoxoxbruce here but adding that the inhabitants of several South seas islands that are disappearing beneath the waves would like to know if you mind them moving in with you...


dar512  Tuesday Oct 13 01:14 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by newtimer View Post
Why I don't believe in the religion of 'global' warming:
1) Fill a glass halfway with salt water. (A 3% salt solution, if you can manage it);
2) Put an ice cube in the water. Mark the current water level on the side of the glass;
3) Let the ice cube melt (via hair dryer, microwave oven, window sill, etc. It doesn't matter how);
4) Notice that the new water level has not gone up after the ice melted. If you have a large enough glass and water sample, you might even notice that the water level has gone DOWN slightly.

This, fellow bipeds, is SCIENCE. Anybody can replicate this experiment. Every time, the results will be the same. Yet Al Gore and his whiny followers continue to ignore science and push their contrary religion on us.
Above and beyond Bruce's objections, I venture to say that there are any number of variables in the real world not represented in your water glass model.

If the real world were that easy to model, weather predictions would be correct every single day.

What you've got there is middle-school SCIENCE (Love the caps. You can almost hear the Dr. Science intro). And what's needed is graduate-level science - which is a lot more murky.


classicman  Tuesday Oct 13 01:49 PM

Lets try this again - VERY simplistically.....

1) Fill a glass halfway with salt water. (A 3% salt solution, if you can manage it);
2) Hold an ice cube above the water. Mark the current water level on the side of the glass;
3) Let the ice cube melt (via hair dryer, microwave oven, window sill, etc. It doesn't matter how);
4) Notice that the new water level has gone up after the ice melted.

This, fellow bipeds, is SCIENCE. Anybody can replicate this experiment. Every time, the results will be the same.

Just sayin'



Shawnee123  Tuesday Oct 13 01:52 PM



Ah, yes...now I see!



Scriveyn  Tuesday Oct 13 02:15 PM

What xoxoxoBruce and classicman said ...

... plus: the volume of water increases with temparature (above 4C), and there is a lot of the stuff in the oceans.



Spexxvet  Tuesday Oct 13 02:24 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scriveyn View Post
What xoxoxoBruce and classicman said ...

... plus: the volume of water increases with temparature (above 4C), and there is a lot of the stuff in the oceans.
Like fish pee


Shawnee123  Tuesday Oct 13 02:28 PM

OK, try this:

Take a fish

Hold it over a glass of water

Squeeze the piss out of the fish

The water in the glass will go up slightly.

This, fellow bipeds, is SCIENCE. Anybody can replicate this experiment. Every time, the results will be the same.



classicman  Tuesday Oct 13 02:36 PM

The stuff in the oceans isn't the real issue - that would fall mostly into his original example. the stuff above the water level and the landscape surrounding it would be more of a concern from that standpoint. The temperature regulation and environmental issues are affected much more by the landscape and the fact that it changes from a solid to a liquid upon melting. . . me thinks.


Oh and HOL (haggis out loud) at shaw



Spexxvet  Tuesday Oct 13 03:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman View Post
The stuff in the oceans isn't the real issue - that would fall mostly into his original example. the stuff above the water level and the landscape surrounding it would be more of a concern from that standpoint. ...
OK, try this:

Take a fish

Hold it over a landscape.

Squeeze the piss out of the fish.

When the pee runs into the ocean, it will go up slightly.

Dip the glass in the ocean.

Taste the liquid in the glass - it will taste like salty water and fish pee.

This, fellow bipeds, is SCIENCE. Anybody can replicate this experiment. Every time, the results will be the same.


Sheldonrs  Tuesday Oct 13 03:31 PM

There's a big ol' hole in the ozone layer. Ice is melting in places that have had ice for 10s of thousands of years. Glaciers are shrinking.
Arctic wildlife is vanishing.

Call it global warming, natural selection, bad luck or whatever.

It's all happening; it's all real and it needs to be stopped.

And unless someone can prove that all the pollution we've been pouring into the earth and the air and the water ISN'T the cause and that all the chemicals are really GOOD for us, then shut the fuck up and fix it!



dar512  Tuesday Oct 13 03:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs View Post
There's a big ol' hole in the ozone layer. Ice is melting in places that have had ice for 10s of thousands of years. Glaciers are shrinking.
Arctic wildlife is vanishing.

Call it global warming, natural selection, bad luck or whatever.

It's all happening; it's all real and it needs to be stopped.

And unless someone can prove that all the pollution we've been pouring into the earth and the air and the water ISN'T the cause and that all the chemicals are really GOOD for us, then shut the fuck up and fix it!
Well said.


classicman  Tuesday Oct 13 03:55 PM

no no no - Prove all the pollution we've been pouring into the earth and the air and the water IS the cause... :p

This may have been happening on and off for Billions and trillions and gazillions of years. Mankind just may be here to see it this time.



classicman  Tuesday Oct 13 04:00 PM

Now, should we stop polluting the environment? Absolutely.



Spexxvet  Tuesday Oct 13 04:10 PM

If we're the cause, and we do nothing, we're fucked.
If we're not the cause, and we take action, we've only wasted our effort.
If we're not the cause, and we don't take action, it won't matter no-how, we're still fucked.
If we're the cause and we take action AND the action is effective, we'll have saved ourselves.

So why not take action?



Spexxvet  Tuesday Oct 13 04:11 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman View Post
...This may have been happening on and off for Billions and trillions and gazillions of years. Mankind just may be here to see it this time.
Or we saw it before, and don't remember.


Shawnee123  Tuesday Oct 13 04:23 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman View Post
no no no - Prove all the pollution we've been pouring into the earth and the air and the water IS the cause... :p

This may have been happening on and off for Billions and trillions and gazillions of years. Mankind just may be here to see it this time.
Wouldn't scientists know if this is a pattern? They study those kinds of things, geologically speaking. They can tell if a trilobite farted 600 million years ago.

And farther back than approximately 4.7 billion years is irrelevant, as there was no earth before then.


spudcon  Tuesday Oct 13 04:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spexxvet View Post
If we're the cause, and we do nothing, we're fucked.
If we're not the cause, and we take action, we've only wasted our effort.
If we're not the cause, and we don't take action, it won't matter no-how, we're still fucked.
If we're the cause and we take action AND the action is effective, we'll have saved ourselves.

So why not take action?
We've also caused a whole lot of other things that will make matters worse. Case in point, ethanol in gasoline. It takes more energy to make the ethanol than any savings we may get from using it. Couple that with the drop in gas mileage that occurs by using it, and you have actually caused more pollution than if you had done nothing.
Also, the economic hardships that the goofy solutions would and are causing would be just as catastrophic as global warming.
Oh, and the planet has been cooling for almost a decade now.


Gravdigr  Tuesday Oct 13 05:58 PM

OK, try this:

1. Take a little rice...
2. Do whatever it takes to make it into a rolling paper.
3. Take a little weed, grass, herb, marijahootchie, dope, smoke, whatever.
4. Separate the vegetative matter from the seeds and stems.
5. Form the rolling paper into a loose envelope.
6. Put the weed into the rolling paper.
7. Roll the paper containing the weed into a firm, but not too tight, cylinder.
8. Find two small sticks of wood.
9. Rub the sticks together firmly and quickly, to make fire.
10. Touch the fire to the very tip of the cylinder of paper and weed.
11. Put the unlit end of the cylinder in your mouth.
12. Inhale deeply.
13. Hold it.
14. Hold it.
15. Hold it.
16. Exhale slowly.
17. Shut the fuck up.



spudcon  Tuesday Oct 13 10:10 PM

That is the solution to global warming!



TheMercenary  Tuesday Oct 13 10:18 PM




Elspode  Tuesday Oct 13 10:50 PM

Doody!!!!



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Oct 13 11:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs View Post
There's a big ol' hole in the ozone layer. Ice is melting in places that have had ice for 10s of thousands of years. Glaciers are shrinking.
Arctic wildlife is vanishing.

Call it global warming, natural selection, bad luck or whatever.

It's all happening; it's all real and it needs to be stopped.

And unless someone can prove that all the pollution we've been pouring into the earth and the air and the water ISN'T the cause and that all the chemicals are really GOOD for us, then shut the fuck up and fix it!
I think the hole has closed up, hasn't it?
The ice has been melting for 12k years, since the last ice age.
When the Arctic becomes temperate, it'll have tons of wildlife, just different kinds.
Yeah, we gotta stop adding chemical compounds into the environment, something like 60k, that nature never intended to exist.

On the bright side, if the ocean comes up, all those assholes you bitch about in Jersey, will drown.


Sheldonrs  Wednesday Oct 14 11:04 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
...On the bright side, if the ocean comes up, all those assholes you bitch about in Jersey, will drown.
I may just use that line for this years' Christmas Cards.


xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Oct 14 11:43 AM

With my blessing.



classicman  Wednesday Oct 14 12:12 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
Wouldn't scientists know if this is a pattern? They study those kinds of things, geologically speaking. They can tell if a trilobite farted 600 million years ago.
Yes. The actual cause of the demise of the Dinosaurs was their incessant farting, much like the cows today.

If the scientists were so damn sure, what was the "global cooling" scare 30 years ago all about?


Sheldonrs  Wednesday Oct 14 12:14 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman View Post
Yes. The actual cause of the demise of the Dinosaurs was their incessant farting, much like the cows today. ...
I guess that makes you a member of the Flatulent Earth Society.


monster  Thursday Oct 15 07:52 AM

*snort*



treehugger  Thursday Oct 15 07:01 PM

that is abuse to the ocean and its native life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Sundae  Sunday Oct 18 05:05 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jinx View Post
Do they have mosquitos over there?
Yes.

Thought I'd bring y'all back on track.


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