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   xoxoxoBruce  Monday Sep 7 11:51 PM

Sept 8, 2009: Pakistan's Art

I was surprised to learn, Pakistan has, and has had from it's inception, a thriving art community... and since the '80s a contemporary art community.

Quote:
“Hanging Fire,” which opens next Thursday, is the first major survey of contemporary art from Pakistan to be presented by an American museum. And for many artists and curators who have long worked in relative obscurity in Pakistan’s contemporary art world — one that has been thriving since the 1980s despite and perhaps in some ways because of the country’s instability — it is a highly anticipated event.


Quote:
Ms. Abbas, who has given the traditionally human female face of the steed some of her own features, imagines it as a kind of life-size toy, one she has climbed up on and ridden herself, though doing so too publicly in Pakistan could court dangerous misinterpretations. “You have to be careful,” she said. “The smallest things can end up being big things — you never know. And the big things no one seems to notice.”

Though her work has dealt openly with sexual imagery and has been displayed cautiously within Pakistan — like much other contemporary work there — in private showings at galleries, she said that her reasons for sometimes pulling back from making work that might be too confrontational are mostly personal. “There are things I have thought of doing and did not do, in part because I didn’t want to offend my parents,” she said.
On a lighter note...

Quote:
Ms. Mulji’s strangely stranded water buffalo (the one here, in an unanticipated conceptual twist, is American, stuffed by a taxidermist in Rhinbeck, N.Y., because of toxicity concerns about the original in Pakistan) grew out of the artist’s exploration of the strangeness of rampant development in a mostly rural, underdeveloped nation.
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capnhowdy  Tuesday Sep 8 08:07 AM

The ears and tail on the bull look like they have hair on them. And it just wouldn't have been right had the artist left off the huge nutsack.
The third picture has to be a depiction of one's expression when someone kicks them in their groin.



DanaC  Tuesday Sep 8 08:13 AM

Why were you surprised by that?



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Sep 8 09:35 AM

Because I've never seen it mentioned anywhere.



DanaC  Tuesday Sep 8 09:44 AM

Ahh. fair enough

I guess you probably don't have a large Pakistani community over there



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Sep 8 09:49 AM

Not in my neighborhood, although I've worked with a number of engineers. They don't talk about art much though.



birdclaw  Tuesday Sep 8 10:51 AM

I have to admit I kind of like the pouncing bull art.



Cloud  Tuesday Sep 8 01:00 PM

that stuff is just awful. I prefer the country's traditional folk art.



DanaC  Tuesday Sep 8 01:23 PM

I think the buffalo is amazing. Actually the screaming faces one is pretty awesome too imo.



Gravdigr  Tuesday Sep 8 08:41 PM

I, too, prefer the stranded buff. It's the only one that's edible.



capnhowdy  Tuesday Sep 8 09:07 PM

gravy and taters..... nom nom nom...



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Sep 9 12:06 AM

I don't think you'd like the stuffing.



ZenGum  Wednesday Sep 9 12:08 AM

... but look at them taters!



Gravdigr  Wednesday Sep 9 05:39 PM

[Channeling Golem]What's 'taters' precious?[/Golem]



Cloud  Wednesday Sep 9 05:47 PM

Gollum! a golem is something else



ZenGum  Wednesday Sep 9 09:11 PM

Watch out for the nerd police, Gravdigr!



Gravdigr  Thursday Sep 10 03:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud View Post
Gollum! a golem is something else
Oh.


Cloud  Thursday Sep 10 03:37 PM

You know, I think that's out of line. I wasn't being mean about it, just commenting.

so, I'm a nerd just because I'm educated and read? You oughta try it sometime, Zengum. Then you might have something actually useful to say instead of limiting yourself to snarky one-liners.



Cloud  Thursday Sep 10 03:38 PM

You know, I think that's out of line. I wasn't being mean about it, just commenting.

so, I'm a nerd just because I'm educated and read? You oughta try it sometime, Zengum. Then you might have something actually useful to say instead of limiting yourself to snarky one-liners.

(disgusted face)



Flint  Thursday Sep 10 03:54 PM

Have you read any books about how to chill out and not inappropriately snap at people,
...or about how always posturing yourself as the alpha geek doesn't leave a positive impression?



I can't recommend any titles because I haven't read those book either.



Cloud  Thursday Sep 10 04:05 PM

Yes, I have. Is it inappropriate to snap at people when they snap back at you?

I'm sorry, I'm just stressed out today and crying. But I am neither a nerd nor a geek.

and I am not happy with Zengum. It seems all he does lately is make fun of people and make snarky comments, and this time it was directed at me. So I said something.



Flint  Thursday Sep 10 04:10 PM

Sorry you are having a bad time.

But, ZenGum? Sorry, I don't see it. In internet terms, ZenGum has the threat rating of your grandmother, baking cookies for you.



Cloud  Thursday Sep 10 04:13 PM

I wish someone would make me cookies. right now!



ZenGum  Thursday Sep 10 09:15 PM

Hey Cloud, this is for you:

Attachment 24724

My comment was aimed at gravdigr. If you hadn't said what you did, I would have.

Flashes Nerd Credentials: LotR, chapter Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbits, scene in Ithillien, just before meeting Faramir.



Cloud  Thursday Sep 10 09:50 PM

I deserve that, I suppose.



dar512  Thursday Sep 10 10:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenGum View Post
Flashes Nerd Credentials: LotR, chapter Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbits, scene in Ithillien, just before meeting Faramir.
The chapter with Frodo, Sam, & Faramir is one of my favorite chapters.


Cloud  Thursday Sep 10 10:30 PM

(nods) that's the chapter with the Window on the West, and they see the oliphaunts . . .

um . . .

okay, fine. nerd it is.

All my fora suffered my bad mood today, I'm afraid.



Gravdigr  Saturday Sep 12 04:25 PM

@ cloud; @ Zen; @ Flint; :



ZenGum  Sunday Sep 13 12:45 AM

Oh, BTW, Flint, screw you. My grandmother died in a horrific cookie baking accident. But it was in December, so I'm not sure if that counts.



wolf  Sunday Sep 13 10:01 AM

Toxicity concerns? What the heck do they use for taxidermy in Pakistan?



xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Sep 13 10:18 AM

Probably chrome, and/or mercury, and/or arsenic.

Or maybe they stuff it with poop, like the old Tijuana upholstery shops.



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