8/26/2002 extra: Palestinian youth

LGF reports that the Palestinian Journalists Union has put up a new rule for journalists in their region: it is now prohibited to take any pictures of Palestinian children carrying weapons or taking part in activities by militant groups. The blue text is from an Israeli newspaper:

Tawfik Abu Khousa, deputy chairman of the syndicate, said such pictures harmed the image of the Palestinian people and the credibility of Palestinian journalists.

"We have decided to forbid taking any footage of armed children, because we consider that as a clear violation of the rights of children and for negative effects these pictures have on the Palestinian people," he said.

In the statement issued by the syndicate it said footage of armed served "the interests of Israel and its propaganda against the Palestinian people."

Reporters were also banned from photographing masked men.

For a while I was posting any image of kids with guns that I found, but there were too many and it no longer made sense. Well now it does.



This demonstration was organized by Yasser Arafat’s Fatah movement, in support of Saddam Hussein.

That one was taken before the ban. I would credit it but I don't remember where I got it. Probably also from that LGF.

I was asking about the source of the quote, rather than the credit for the photographer.

It's all mapped out at the link I provided.

UT was also kind enough to provide some of his own words. Thanks, UT!

Hunh?

Oh, now I get it Nic... no, referring to the text below the photo, I don't have the details.

You know.. you put the story in your own words.

ummm ... made it up.

I read it on the IDF website.

I found a source for UT's explanation of the demonstration.

Thanks man. I found my source for the pic which was also LGF:

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=3773

But they didn't list their own source.

I don't know whether it's true or not that this was organized by Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, or that it was in support of Saddam Hussein. It might be true. It might be propaganda.

Call me a cynic, but I just don't believe everything I read from the LGF or the IDF. I don't believe everything any government agency says. Weblogs do tend to be a bit more accurate, though.

OMG, Slashdot has just gotten terrible! One headline today reads: "Is Red Hat the Microsoft of Linux?" I feel dirty every time I go there.

No offense Jag, but you're deliberately taking one argument and twisting it into another. For all the time you spend bitching about how Maggie does this to you, you seem to do it enough yourself.

Yea i know but the irony of them both having the same gun and being the same age, yet one is a poster boy and the other one is a victim of child abuse was just too much.

posterboy vs. abused

Perhaps we should just interpret the pictures as product endorsements?

also, the poor palestine kid wasn't given a magazine.

I guess it's abuse if you send a 9 year old into battle with an unloaded weapon?

oops!

Sorry, just saw its magazine now.

stupid black plastic magazines!

time to adjust gamma.

In support of MaggieL's statement, a little known fact about the fighting going on in the Middle East is that 70% of the Al-Qaida fighters in Afghanistan were under the age of 18. Where do I get this information from? Im enlisted into the United States Navy part of the Rosevelt fleet. Onboard we had Marines who recalled skirmishes in which numerious teenagers fired live rounds with intent to do harm (meaning aimed at the Marines).

Who's the other one aiming at then? Its not exactly something you'd use for deer hunting. I'm sure they taught him how to shoot too, they wouldn't give such an expensive weapon to a kid without training afterall.

Welcome Double T

I'm also a Navy man...recently retired and wishing I weren't.

I was Tin Can Navy though.

Brian

The Israeli media machine thinks it is a good idea to use these images, though.

Palestinian Children Call Iraq to Attack Israel

http://www.idf.il/newsite/english/kids.stm

They didn't have to steal the F-16s. The US provided them as a part of Oslo, to establish a Palestinian security force.

F-16

M, F, what's the difference.

'zactly Nic. I'm glad you're not damning yourself to hell and supporting genocide by suggesting that kids don't have the right to carry military hardware in school

I'm no fan of the imperialist TR but you guys may not realize how common it was for American kids to bring rifles to school up through the sixties. Rifle teams were very common, yet shootings were not. A couple years ago a girl from our neighboring school district was the national target shooting champion for her age group. Like kids in other activities she wanted to appear in her yearbook doing her thing. There was a shitstorm between the victim disarmament crowd and the right wing nuts,...not pretty. I don't think its a good idea to carry at school anymore but thats more about Americas public school culture than firearms.

"The great body of our citizens shoot less as times goes on. We should encourage rifle practice among schoolboys, and indeed among all classes, as well as in the military services by every means in our power. Thus, and not otherwise, may we be able to assist in preserving peace inthe world... The first step -- in the direction of preparation to avert war if possible, and to be fit for war if it should come -- is to teach MEN to shoot!"

President Theodore Roosevelt's last message to Congress

If your going to use a quote to support your point of veiw, use it right. Read that last line, now read it again, now one last time to prove my point. Teach MEN (Im sure if TR was live he would also include Women) how to shoot. He isnt talking about kiddies with a chip on their shoulder who havent been taught how to handel their anger OR how to handel properlly a firearm. Personally I believe the U.S. needs to speak softly and carry a big stick at times like now.

Well, I read it again and he was clearly advocating teaching MEN to shoot when they are SCHOOLBOYS.

But Theodore Roosevelt hasn't seen what we've seen. Times change. For many people, Colombine and the other high school massacres changed everything.

Some things, like philosophical and moral principles, are timeless. In these cases, quotes from dead men are appropriate. Technology, though, is not timeless. Why not pull up quotes from Charles Babbage to defend the quality of Mac OS X?

I'm not advocating one position or the other, though. I honestly haven't made up my mind.

Columbine and other massacres certainly made up <b>my</b> mind.

If the rest of those students were carrying, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris wouldn't have stood a chance.

I hereby endorse dh for President!

Because of legalities of because its mindnumbingly stupid? I woudl have thought since you're so worked up about schoolyard fights in the 60's you see why it was not such a wise idea.

Jag, you are missing the entire point. It isn't about kids carrying guns, it's about kids being taught responsibility and how to make wise decisions. The modern education system seeks to shelter children to the point of suffocation and so it falls to the parents for their complete upbringing. Unfortunately, most parents rely on the Federal Daycare System (read: public education) to do their job of raising those children. Hmmm.

The only role models most kids have is whoever is playing in the CD player. Great, now we have Ludicras (or whatever he calls himself) and various other artists teaching our kids what is right and wrong. So why are we suprised when we have incidents like Columbine?

It's a vicious f'in cycle where everyone blames someone else and the only people getting hurt are the kids.

You two are never going to agree on this.

You're kidding me. :p

Henceforth, I wish to be known as Juju, Bringer of Insight.

No, you will be known as Mr. Fucking Obvious.

Is this a rhetorical question?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

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Look!

Is it a pipe or isn't it?

Just tell me. This is really just pissing me off here.