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   monster  Tuesday Sep 9 10:42 PM

September 10, 2008: Recreating the Big Bang

aka faking an orgasm?

The image is of the Large Hadron Collider built by CERN, which the BBC reports is ready to be powered up after 30 years of planning and construction. It will be the world's most powerful physics experiment.

More on the Science of it all here: I just think it looks cool

Big Sarge  Tuesday Sep 9 10:46 PM

looks like an octopus drawing you in

HungLikeJesus  Tuesday Sep 9 10:52 PM

Who ever picked the colors must have been a Denver Broncos fan.

ZenGum  Tuesday Sep 9 10:54 PM

There's a passably cool/nerdy rap on youtube explaining it all.
I can't link for you cause I am at work, don't want to look toooooo idle. Some keyword searches should find it.

Nirvana  Tuesday Sep 9 11:48 PM

Black holes drag in matter from their surroundings. Some critics fear the collider could create a miniature black hole that could swell and swallow the Earth

corydodt  Tuesday Sep 9 11:56 PM

Fortunately, there's a way to find out if the LHC has in fact destroyed the earth.

And an RSS feed.

Elspode  Tuesday Sep 9 11:59 PM

Particles liberated in this new superdupercollider will exist only for miniscule fractions of second, and they will be the much the same as zillions of particles that zip through us and the planet every second of every day, totally unnoticed. They will simply be liberated where they can be studied.

Hawking has long proven that mini black holes must exist if the rest of black hole theory is reasonably correct, so it is rather likely that we've encountered them before and didn't even realize it.

...or we might all wake up in the 11th dimension in a few days.

Medic63  Wednesday Sep 10 12:03 AM

Here's a link to the rap ZenGum was talking about;

Clodfobble  Wednesday Sep 10 12:06 AM

Actual conversation in my household when I brought up this thread:

Me: Cool. Hey, want to see a picture of the Large Hadron Collider?
Him: Sure, I guess... Yeah, it looks like pretty much any other particle accelerator.
Me: I've never seen a particle accelerator before.
Him: [laughs]
Me: Why is that funny?
Him: I don't know. It just is.

footfootfoot  Wednesday Sep 10 09:09 AM

Well I imagine when you've got large Hardons colliding you'd get a big bang. Am I missing something here?

Flint  Wednesday Sep 10 09:55 AM


Sheldonrs  Wednesday Sep 10 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
Black holes drag in matter from their surroundings. Some critics fear the collider could create a miniature black hole that could swell and swallow the Earth
Except for the critics, that sounds like the description I use in my craigslist ads.

Flint  Wednesday Sep 10 09:59 AM

OMG you really are one of those freaks from Craigslist, arent you?

sweetwater  Wednesday Sep 10 10:23 AM

Gotta love the work of M.C. Escher.

Sheldonrs  Wednesday Sep 10 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Flint View Post
OMG you really are one of those freaks from Craigslist, arent you?
So, you know the list huh?

Bullitt  Wednesday Sep 10 10:53 AM

barefoot serpent  Wednesday Sep 10 11:11 AM

could have been Texas... the SSC

Pico and ME  Wednesday Sep 10 03:18 PM

The project was canceled by Congress in 1993. Many factors contributed to the shutdown of the project...<snip>...the end of the need to prove the supremacy of American science with the collapse of the Soviet Union...<snip>.
Oh Gawd......

bobbin4pigsfeet  Wednesday Sep 10 06:23 PM

If they painted it silver and black, it'd only find 14 particles, vs the 41 it'll find in orange and blue. Go Broncos!

Sorry, couldn't help it.

narcuul  Thursday Sep 11 04:25 PM

Well, in case the resonance cascade hits us, you would be well adviced to have your red crowbar handy.

Well, I am a science geek.. This was a truly big and anticipated event in the history of science. I'm just drooling and sneaking and hopping around any news concerning all the multiple experiments at LHC like a squirrel around a nut he can't get. Or whatever...

tombstone  Thursday Sep 11 07:32 PM

I have lots of experience with mini black holes. Nearly everything I drop disappears into one of them, along with a fair number of mundane household objects on a daily basis.

tombstone  Thursday Sep 11 07:40 PM

I am back briefly. Computer technician son sent me this yesterday-The Top 10 Ways the LHC Will Blow Your Mind.

spudcon  Friday Sep 12 08:15 AM

You forgot this reason;

SPUCK  Friday Sep 12 02:30 PM

Great live camera shots of the LHC here...

Pico and ME  Friday Sep 12 02:56 PM

onetrack  Sunday Sep 21 11:35 AM

When it fails to work as planned, it'll probably make a great microwave .... I mean to say ... can you imagine the SIZE of the pizza, you could reheat in THAT!! ..

SPUCK  Tuesday Sep 23 06:25 AM

Screw that!

Think of how many poodles you could dry!

Shawnee123  Monday Nov 23 06:26 PM

Hadron Collider has first collisions. (looks around) I'm still here!

Pie  Monday Nov 23 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
Hadron Collider has first collisions. (looks around) I'm still here!

classicman  Monday Nov 23 07:12 PM

Today's collisions are relatively low-energy; the next step is to get particles colliding at higher energies than ever before. The accelerator should reach an energy of 1.2 TeV (teraelectronvolts, or a million million electronvolts) per beam by Christmas if all goes well, CERN said.
OK, could one of you smart folks put that in something I might be able to relate to, please?


Griff  Monday Nov 23 07:19 PM

If it works we're all dead. :cheers:
I kid... I hope.

Clodfobble  Monday Nov 23 07:24 PM

I think one electronvolt is the same as a normal volt (like in a 9-Volt battery,) but I could be wrong.

ZenGum  Monday Nov 23 07:25 PM

It is the amount of energy an electron picks up accelerating across an electrostatic potential difference of one volt.

There, did that make your life better?

Griff  Monday Nov 23 07:29 PM

[tw]of course! this is real science the basic kind that matters without that useless human stuff[/tw]

Clodfobble  Monday Nov 23 07:48 PM

That's because after they're done with it, there won't be any useless human stuff left anywhere.

classicman  Monday Nov 23 07:55 PM

I hate to throw a simple statement in here, but isn't this sort of like an investment?

ZenGum  Monday Nov 23 07:58 PM

For the Geeks, this article
explains what it is doing, why, and where it can go next.

There will be a test next Friday. Study hard.


This one
Is less user friendly but is better on the science.

classicman  Monday Nov 23 08:05 PM

Is the test this friday as in the next friday or next friday as in next week. I need to schedule my time accordingly. kthxbai

ZenGum  Monday Nov 23 08:21 PM

Both. It's a quantum thing.

Griff  Monday Nov 23 08:39 PM

I so hope we find our way back from next Friday.

Elspode  Monday Nov 23 11:19 PM

I'm looking forward to when they start selling Pet Black Holes.

ZenGum  Tuesday Nov 24 12:30 AM

Seriously, if we could create a pet black hole and contain it in some kind of toroidal magnetic field, that would solve all of our toxic waste disposal problems.

And unemployment, Camp X-Ray, and what to do with Sarah Palin all in one...

SPUCK  Tuesday Nov 24 05:33 AM

Date: Nov. 28, 2009

Originally Posted by ZenGum View Post
Both. It's a quantum thing.

Just think! We'll all meet ourselves coming the other way.

classicman  Tuesday Nov 24 09:01 AM

I think they'll have it perfected some time in ... oh ... say ... 2012.

Shawnee123  Tuesday Nov 24 09:07 AM

Puh...don't know how many times I have to tell you guys the aliens are coming back for us in 2011. I'll be laughing as my bags are packed and I'm ready to go, and y'all are running around looking for your favorite socks.

xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Nov 24 11:40 AM

Don't forget to wear your new Nikes.

Happy Monkey  Tuesday Nov 24 02:08 PM

Some webcams.

classicman  Tuesday Nov 24 02:11 PM

Haggis - errr very interesting

glatt  Tuesday Nov 24 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey View Post
That's cool. But really, what about the tape craft contest? $5K is nothing to sneeze at.

glatt  Friday Sep 23 08:45 AM

You may have seen this in the news, but it's really amazing/interesting/confusing.

Researchers at CERN have successfully made nutrinos travel faster than the speed of light, which is impossible. Fermilab in Chicago had reached similar results a few years ago, but their antiquated american equipment is so crappy, the margin of error was greater than the amount by which nutrinos exceeded light speed, so they tossed out the results. The newer CERN facility is much better and its margin of error is smaller, so they are certain that their results are accurate. Except for the little matter of it being impossible.

I really wish we hadn't scrapped our half built super collider in Texas. it would be useful to have a state of the art facility to compare the CERN results to.

GENEVA — A startling find at one of the world’s foremost laboratories that a subatomic particle seemed to move faster than the speed of light has scientists around the world rethinking Albert Einstein and one of the foundations of physics.

Now they are planning to put the finding to further high-speed tests to see if a revolutionary shift in explaining the workings of the universe is needed — or if the European scientists made a mistake.

Researchers at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research outside Geneva, who announced the discovery Thursday are still somewhat surprised themselves and planned to detail their findings on Friday.
The claim is being greeted with skepticism inside and outside the European lab.

“The feeling that most people have is this can’t be right, this can’t be real,” said James Gillies, a spokesman for CERN.

CERN provided the particle accelerator to send neutrinos on a breakneck 454-mile (730-kilometer) trip underground from Geneva to Italy. France’s National Institute for Nuclear and Particle Physics Research collaborated with Italy’s Ran Sass National Laboratory for the experiment, which has no connection to the atomic-smashing Large Hadron Collider, which is also located at CERN.

Gillies told The Associated Press that the readings have so astounded researchers that “they are inviting the broader physics community to look at what they’ve done and really scrutinize it in great detail.”

That will be necessary, because Einstein’s special relativity theory underlies “pretty much everything in modern physics,” said John Ellis, a theoretical physicist at CERN who was not involved in the experiment. “It has worked perfectly up until now.” And part of that theory is that nothing is faster than the speed of light.

CERN reported that a neutrino beam fired from a particle accelerator near Geneva to a lab in Italy traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than the speed of light. Scientists calculated the margin of error at just 10 nanoseconds, making the difference statistically significant.

Given the enormous implications of the find, they spent months checking and rechecking their results to make sure there were no flaws in the experiment.

A team at Fermilab had similar faster-than-light results in 2007. But that experiment had such a large margin of error that it undercut its scientific significance.

HungLikeJesus  Friday Sep 23 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by glatt View Post
I really wish we hadn't scrapped our half built super collider in Texas. it would be useful to have a state of the art facility to compare the CERN results to.
Then they might have created anti-gravitons and sent Texas flinging out into space.

infinite monkey  Friday Sep 23 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Barenaked Ladies
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait...
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries,
That all started with the big bang!

TaraHarrison  Friday Sep 23 10:28 AM

senior health official Tara Chinakarn admitted that policing the temporary ban might be difficult as cosmetic removal of the testicles was such a quick operation and easy to conduct in secret

Spexxvet  Friday Sep 23 10:53 AM

I hear that everytime I watch The Big Bang Theory, but I only now learned that it's by The Barenaked Ladies! Who'dathought.

infinite monkey  Friday Sep 23 11:47 AM

My ex-roommate got sick of me saying, every time, "That's the Barenaked Ladies, you know."

Sundae  Friday Sep 23 11:48 AM

The Big Bang Theory makes me cringe.
To me it's a typical American comedy in that they forgot to put in the comedy and instead just used stereotypical characters, some shouting and occasional gay innuendo.
(John Barrowman auditioned as Will for Will and Grace - he was rejected for being too straight. So they employed a straight actor instead. But hey, thank FSM)

I thought Friends was awful, so what do I know?

ETA - to balance, there are British comedy shows that I find lame too.

infinite monkey  Friday Sep 23 11:52 AM

Oh, another pooh-pooh.

We're such philistines.

Sundae  Friday Sep 23 12:14 PM

Try watching Keeping Up Appearances with a straight face.
You'll think the wind has frozen it there.

Or My Family.
Or many more.

I might pooh-pooh. But I pooh-pooh on merit according to my own tastes, not according to awards or critics' choices or longevity. I pooh-pooh as I see fit. Etc etc

Spexxvet  Friday Sep 23 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sundae View Post
ETA - to balance, there are British comedy shows that I find lame too.
There are British comedy shows since Monty Python? I kid, I'm kidding, I swear!

Clodfobble  Friday Sep 23 05:55 PM

The only thing we can be sure of is that everything we know is wrong.

SPUCK  Saturday Sep 24 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus View Post
Tand send Texas flinging out into space.
This would somehow be a bad thing?

CaliforniaMama  Saturday Sep 24 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus View Post
Then they might have created anti-gravitons and sent Texas flinging out into space.
Originally Posted by SPUCK View Post
This would somehow be a bad thing?

After all, they are the Lone STAR State.

SPUCK  Monday Sep 26 04:50 AM

Does this not look like some sort of disgusting sea creature? Its mouth with teeth? Every time I see this that comes to mind. Too much SciFi perhaps.

ZenGum  Monday Sep 26 08:18 PM

Robo-kraken is coming for you!

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