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   Undertoad  Tuesday Jan 2 09:14 AM

January 2, 2007: Nebraska ice storm



Currently being Farked (and thus, not loading at all) is this remarkable set of images of freezing rain in Nebraska.

For those of you who live in warmer climates, you might know that huge snow storms can create weather disasters... but you might not know that freezing rain can create a storm of ice that can be even more destructive. Think about it; if two inches of ice can form around a tiny tree branch...



What happens when it forms around every single wire and every single support on every pole, for miles and miles? It's a total disaster for the infrastructure.





It's also remarkably beautiful. Can you imagine being there and seeing every single exposed surface coated with ice?



The cattle can. The ice has taken down their wired fencing and the only thing keeping them from romping around the countryside is the slippery surfaces they now have to manage. They must have cold headaches as they find something to graze on.



There'll be no violators today.



A single blade of grass.



Sheldonrs  Tuesday Jan 2 09:17 AM

'tis the season to be freezin'. I guess the rumors about global warming were exagerated.



rnx  Tuesday Jan 2 09:54 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs
I guess the rumors about global warming were exagerated.
Well, freezing ice storms happen at temperatures below 0 at the grow and higher in the atmosphere. What happens is this:
Global temperatures rise, atmosphere temperature rises
More evaporation occur in the large bodies of water (hence places where they get more snow)

Since the atmosphere temperature rises, two things can then happen:
It'll rain, and the rain will freeze because of clouds (remember the evaporation)
-or-
if no clouds form, temperature at surface will be equal to the one in the atmosphere (hence warmer)

It depends where you are located.
Normally, where I live, winter with snow starts around November 15th and ends around February 15th. This year, there wasn't any snow until December 25th. And it melted. So winter hasn't officially started yet for me

And YET - in my old city, winter started 2 months early, and the temperatures are WELL below season normals.

So yeah, global warming doesn't necessarily mean warmer seasons


frankchicarelli  Tuesday Jan 2 09:56 AM

there's something disturbing about the picture of the guy's hand around that piece of ice



Kitsune  Tuesday Jan 2 09:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs
'tis the season to be freezin'. I guess the rumors about global warming were exagerated.
It was 87F here, Saturday. Eighty-seven. This is Florida and all, but almost hitting 90F in December feels really, really weird.


ajaccio  Tuesday Jan 2 10:00 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs
...I guess the rumors about global warming were exagerated.
So I guess that ice shelf didn't actually separate from the north of Canada last week, and the polar bears are not losing their habitat. It's all an exaggeration ... NOT.


Undertoad  Tuesday Jan 2 10:02 AM

frank I noticed that... figured I would leave it in anyway. The guy wanted to give a sense of scale to how much ice was there; wasn't the sense of scale he intended. And I guess a sense of scale is different to every yanker out there...



CaliforniaMama  Tuesday Jan 2 10:03 AM

I can hear my kids now: sword fighting with grass-cicles!!!!



charmzny  Tuesday Jan 2 10:08 AM

I've already lived through this in 1998. Most of northern New York State (yes, there is a state above Syracuse) and alot of southern Ontario and Quebec Canada got a huge ice storm. We were under a state of emergency - no power for at least two-three weeks unless you had a generator, no phones for over a month. Every pole was down between Clayton, NY and Watertown, NY (a 20mile stretch of road) plus many more all around the county. It was destructive, but oddly beautiful. I still have pictures somewhere.



Undertoad  Tuesday Jan 2 10:14 AM

Yep. We had a minor version of it here in 1994. It killed trees. The worst, though, was when it melted. Instead of soaking into the ground, all that water traveled over top the ice... flooding anything in its tracks... including most of my first floor.



Sheldonrs  Tuesday Jan 2 10:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaccio
So I guess that ice shelf didn't actually separate from the north of Canada last week, and the polar bears are not losing their habitat. It's all an exaggeration ... NOT.
That's just a trial separation. They really want to work things out.

And the Polar Bears were never really happy there. They really WANT to live in warmer climates and drown trying to get there. Ask anyone in the Bush admin. They'll confirm it.


xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Jan 2 11:15 AM

Nature and the climate change constantly. The Polar Bears are going through a transitional stage, where there is a shortage of food because the ice for hunting on is diminishing. But, as the ice melts the area becomes warmer and more hospitable to humans.
Then when humans migrate to this newly hospitable area, the bears will have plenty of food.... especially if it's fat Americans.


Oh, it was pretty in Kansas too.



Elspode  Tuesday Jan 2 11:56 AM

My posting here a couple of years back, with some crappy pics. Not as impressive as the Fark shots, but still pretty.



Sheldonrs  Tuesday Jan 2 12:23 PM



"The cattle can. The ice has taken down their wired fencing and the only thing keeping them from romping around the countryside is the slippery surfaces they now have to manage. They must have cold headaches as they find something to graze on."

Uh-oh! Grain freeze!



nephtes  Tuesday Jan 2 12:24 PM

charmzny: Ah yes, Ice Storm '98. Montreal, where I live, got hit pretty hard, but was a high priority for repairs and we only lost power for a few days. Wikipedia and Google turned up a few nice shots...

http://www.verglas.netc.net/photo-serie1.html
http://www.verglas.netc.net/photo-serie-5.html
http://www.na.fs.fed.us/fhp/ice/
http://www.na.fs.fed.us/fhp/ice/durham/index.shtm

Looks like there was way more ice buildup from this Nebraska storm, though... Yikes.



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Jan 2 04:34 PM

Wiki says...

Quote:
Prior to the 1998 storm, the last major ice storm to hit Montreal (1986) deposited around 30 to 60 millimetres (1 to 2 inches) of ice. However, the 1998 storm left deposits twice as thick, downing power lines all over the region, damaging most of the trees in Montreal, and leaving streets covered in a thick impassable layer of ice.
That got me wondering about weight on wires.

Rough calculation gives me a 3/8 inch diameter wire in an 1.5 inch diameter sheath of ice would be 0.727 pounds per liner foot, just ice weight.

And a 3/8 inch diameter wire in a 4.5 inch diameter sheath of ice would be 6.255 pounds per linear foot, ice weight.

Add the weight of the wire and figure one to several hundred feet between supports(poles/towers), that's a hell of a strain.
Then, of course, the bigger the sheath of ice, the more resistance to wind force.
Damn, bury those babies.


astrodex  Tuesday Jan 2 08:50 PM

We had one of these in Boston about 10 years ago. We landed after a visit home to Florida to find the entire city covered in ice. Definite climate shock but it was amazingly beautiful. I felt lucky to have missed the actual event while still being able to enjoy the after effects.

And on the topic of scale: It's gotta be pretty cold so that's WITH shrinkage!?



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Jan 2 09:04 PM

I saw one of those in Boston during the winter of '62/'63. In the middle of the night we walked fro The Fenway and Huntington, all the way to the Logan Airport, and watched them de-ice planes.
Right down the middle of the street... not a cab, not a cop, not a truck, not a vehicle, moving. It was glorious.



kerosene  Tuesday Jan 2 09:46 PM

We lived in this area just before we moved back to Colorado just over a year ago. I hear they haven't had power for a week in the town we lived in. Check out the shot of the tower that collapsed. It just looks wicked.



CaliforniaMama  Wednesday Jan 3 01:15 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by case View Post
Check out the shot of the tower that collapsed. It just looks wicked.
That is very scary. Those power towers look so monstrous and impervious and this is what a little dose of Mother Nature does.

So much for the might of man . . .


Ibby  Wednesday Jan 3 03:14 AM

Fuck. I hate the tropics. Its so damn hot in cambodia I can't even BREATHE, let alone sleep.



linknoid  Wednesday Jan 3 07:55 AM

I live in Lincoln, NE, and my first reaction was that those must be year old images. We got about a foot of snow on Dec 31, but no freezing rain. However, a year ago there was a big ice storm last year here that left my car somewhat resembling those branches (although less extreme).

But no, a quick check of Google confirms this storm was just a few days ago. I must be living under a rock or something. I'm just glad the ice storm missed us here.



charmzny  Wednesday Jan 3 11:30 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by nephtes View Post
charmzny: Ah yes, Ice Storm '98. Montreal, where I live, got hit pretty hard, but was a high priority for repairs and we only lost power for a few days. Wikipedia and Google turned up a few nice shots...

http://www.verglas.netc.net/photo-serie1.html
http://www.verglas.netc.net/photo-serie-5.html
http://www.na.fs.fed.us/fhp/ice/
http://www.na.fs.fed.us/fhp/ice/durham/index.shtm

Looks like there was way more ice buildup from this Nebraska storm, though... Yikes.
Yeah, Montreal would be considered priority. Tiny little towns like ours -- NOT! We were okay, though, we were lucky enough to get a generator before the price gouging started. I know we had a lot of ice build up. My poor maple tree looked like it got partially beheaded. It's just starting to look normal now. Let's hope this crazy weather doesn't land us with another ice storm, microburst or blizzard....:p


milkfish  Wednesday Jan 3 12:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by case View Post
We lived in this area just before we moved back to Colorado just over a year ago. I hear they haven't had power for a week in the town we lived in.
This kind of thing adds to the allure of plans to live off of the grids. (Warning: that's one ugly site.)


Iggy  Wednesday Jan 3 12:53 PM

We had something similar happen to us a year or two ago (I can't remember for the life of me when exactly it was). I do know it was in January. It was very beautiful, but unfortunatly I didn't have a camera at the time so I don't have pictures. Maybe I can find some online...

Many were out of power for a couple weeks though. It was awful. I was one of the few lucky ones, but I was so scared to drive on the icy roads.



Sarasvati48  Wednesday Jan 3 02:35 PM

How come every time it happens to snow or freeze up somewhere, some clown comes out saying that global warming is a rumor? There's ice in my freezer...does that mean that the polar bears are not losing land to stand on?



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Jan 3 03:42 PM

Minor point, but they're not losing land to stand on, they're losing ice to hunt on. That's why they're hungry.



Beestie  Wednesday Jan 3 06:23 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaccio View Post
So I guess that ice shelf didn't actually separate from the north of Canada last week, and the polar bears are not losing their habitat. It's all an exaggeration ... NOT.
The glaciers have been melting for the past 10,000 years or so. There are tropical plant fossils in Antarctica from before the last ice age.

Just because its new to you doesn't mean its new.


glatt  Thursday Jan 4 08:27 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beestie View Post
The glaciers have been melting for the past 10,000 years or so. There are tropical plant fossils in Antarctica from before the last ice age.

Just because its new to you doesn't mean its new.
Antarctica moved. Google "Pangea."


vidacita  Thursday Jan 4 09:22 AM

"So I guess that ice shelf didn't actually separate from the north of Canada last week"

No, it happened 16 months ago. Wonder why the wait to tell the world?
"Ms Weir was poring over satellite images in 2005 when she noticed that the shelf had split and separated.
She notified Luke Copland, head of the new global ice laboratory at the University of Ottawa, who initiated an effort to find out what happened.
Using US and Canadian satellite images, as well as data from seismic monitors, Professor Copland discovered that the ice shelf collapsed on the afternoon of August 13 2005."
See the Fri Dec 29 2006 article online at the Guardian Unlimited website



Beestie  Thursday Jan 4 10:37 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt View Post
Antarctica moved. Google "Pangea."
Google Chicken Little.


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Jan 4 10:51 AM

Welcome to the Cellar, vidacita.
I think it was last week they noticed the broken shelf had moved, and might become a shipping hazard.



glatt  Thursday Jan 4 11:03 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beestie View Post
Google Chicken Little.
Chicken Little thought the sky was falling, but was mistaken.

Scientists agree that the Earth is warming. They are almost certainly right.


Spexxvet  Thursday Jan 4 11:07 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibram View Post
Fuck. I hate the tropics. Its so damn hot in cambodia I can't even BREATHE, let alone sleep.
Are you living in Cambodia now, Ibby?


Beestie  Thursday Jan 4 11:12 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt View Post
Chicken Little thought the sky was falling, but was mistaken. Scientists agree that the Earth is warming. They are almost certainly right.
My point is that the earth has been warming for tens of thousands of years and that there is no need to panic.

And I was making a less obvious critique of the selective use of "evidence" proferred by the "sky is falling" crowd. If its too warm, its global warming. If its too cold, its global warming.

To pick up on HM's point, the earth used to be one continent. Now, its several continents. The earth used to be an ice cube. Now its not. We could shove a cork up every tailpipe, exhaust pipe, bovine butt and industrial smokestack on planet earth and the earth would still be getting warmer. Just like it has been for a long, long time.

Like they say, if you don't like the eco climate, just wait 50 thousand years.


CharlieG  Friday Jan 5 09:40 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt View Post
Antarctica moved. Google "Pangea."
closer to home time wise - they used to grow grapes in Greenland....


beauregaardhooligan  Monday Jan 8 08:56 PM

eyep.
We get ice storms in SC, but not as thick.
This was just over a year ago, and the power was out for over a week.
Makes the argument to bury power/utility line.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...12-15-5006.jpg



xoxoxoBruce  Monday Jan 8 11:24 PM

Welcome to the Cellar, hooligan.



beauregaardhooligan  Monday Jan 8 11:32 PM

'Preciate it, Bruce!



kerosene  Tuesday Jan 9 02:03 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beestie View Post
My point is that the earth has been warming for tens of thousands of years and that there is no need to panic.

And I was making a less obvious critique of the selective use of "evidence" proferred by the "sky is falling" crowd. If its too warm, its global warming. If its too cold, its global warming.

To pick up on HM's point, the earth used to be one continent. Now, its several continents. The earth used to be an ice cube. Now its not. We could shove a cork up every tailpipe, exhaust pipe, bovine butt and industrial smokestack on planet earth and the earth would still be getting warmer. Just like it has been for a long, long time.

Like they say, if you don't like the eco climate, just wait 50 thousand years.
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