3/11: Fishing cats

All cats would fish if they could, eh? But these are an actual species of cat, not far in relation from the housecat, literally called the "fishing cat".

They have partially webbed paws. They have a double layer of fur, insulating them against cold water. The claws you can see there, are different from regular housecat claws in that they never fully retract. They actually swim after fish - dive in and pursue - and the claws are their fishing hooks.

They live mostly in southern Asia and generally avoid people.

Interesting specialization in species...

They're hideous though.

Man... more info? Like - are those full grown, or just kittens? And how the hell did you find this? And where do they typically dwell? How long can they dive for?

I think these were the first two to be displayed at the Sydney Zoo, or something like that. These are kittens. The fully-grown fishing cat weighs something like 25 pounds, so it is generally larger than a housecat. That's about all I know.

More info

Google is your friend:
http://lynx.uio.no/catfolk/viver01.htm

I personally think they're cute. Plus, it's amazing that they have evolved in that manner.

Google IS our friend!

Here's a good series of pictures of the fishing cat:

<a href="http://www.fonz.org/animals/imageoftheweek/8fishingcat.htm">Fishing Cat pictures</a> and a somewhat amusing <a href="http://www.cathouse-fcc.org/video/nickyfish.mpg"> video</a> of a cat walking around in a swimming pool trying to find a fish.

They swim to hunt for other things in addition to fish. One example is hunting waterfowl; they will swim underneath and grab the bird's legs =].

Other interesting cats, if you are so inclined

I've been interested in big game cats for quite some time, and, in doing research for owning a large predatory cat one day, I came across a breed called savannahs. They're actually a crossbreed, typically a serval (an african hunting cat weighing in at 30-40 pounds) and a housecat. How they do THAT, I don't know. But, the crossbred savannahs are typically about three times the size of a housecat, and about 25 pounds, for the males. And, they're about as gentle as a typical housecat (albeit a great big one). Check out this site for more info, and pictures.

Sorry but noone should own a big cat. The belong in the fucking wild, there are few enough of them as it is.

But from the page, the idea is to domesticate a new breed. It sounds like a good idea.

Gotta agree with Tony, that's pretty damn cool. I'd have a couple of reservations about having one though. For example - what if their instincts take over and they start getting nasty? Like, for example, biting my jugular? Or tearing the hell out of my furniture. That would suck. A lot.

But it definitely looks cool, and it seems as though they've done a lot of work to make it a pretty "safe" breed - i.e., the chances of something going awfully wrong because you have one are slim and getting slimmer. I personally like big animals, except for the fact that they could kill me Imagine having a cat that was as big as a dog, but as friendly as a domestic housecat. That'd be cool!

All that having been said, Tinkerbell is a dream kitty and I'll keep her as long as I have the option. She's tiny, clean, doesn't whine, is super obedient and very friendly. Ah, Tink. Cats are cool.

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Originally posted by dhamsaic ...snip...For example - what if their instincts take over and they start getting nasty? Like, for example, biting my jugular? Or tearing the hell out of my furniture. That would suck. A lot. ...snip...

Well, my plan would be to take the erasers off a bunch of pencils and stick them on the points of the cat's claws. I figure that should be sufficient.

Seriously though, I have not read much about the Savannah (as I am at work and have to get shit done), but it's definitely a neat idea and I imagine that they've taken steps to ensure that the claws don't become like those of a lion or panther or any one of the "big cats". After all, the Savannah isn't <b>that</b> big - 25 pounds is a lot for a cat, but think of a dog or something. Not that much.

Whether or not a cat "belongs" in the wild is a purely ethical decision. It has no basis in reality. :]

I like the idea of a moderately dangerous pet stalking you in your own home. It would be like the old Pink Panther movies, you come in hang up your hat and wait for Catos assault, keeping you sharp for more serious matters.

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Originally posted by dhamsaic Gotta agree with Tony, that's pretty damn cool. I'd have a couple of reservations about having one though. For example - what if their instincts take over and they start getting nasty? Like, for example, biting my jugular? Or tearing the hell out of my furniture. That would suck. A lot.

Big Cats

In response to a couple of folks reservations about owning big cats. Yeah, they are dangerous. Extremely. Even if you raise them from kittens, you have to be extremely careful around them. Like Sleemanj and CharlieG say, they can hurt you very, very badly. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there that don't realize that. So, they get them as kittens, and when something goes wrong (like they bite Miffy-the-toilet-brush-dog's head off), they abandon them to a local animal shelter. The shelter's typically have someone they can turn too, but, often times they have to destroy the cat, because there is no one that can care for it properly. I would like to be someone that cares for them.

Re: Big Cats

Ban <i>housecats</i>???

You gotta be kidding, right? Or do you mean, ban housecats being allowed to be outside.

sapienza

I took our Aussie in to be "tutored" (old Farside Pun) today *sniff*. Of course this hits Jag close to home as well, so I will speak of it no more.

El gato grande, Sap. Some clown near my place was rumored to have ah... misplaced a mountain lion a few years ago. The Game Commision denies the existance of a lion population in PA but I know a few folks who claim to have spotted one and the Wylusing Rocket (newspaper) ran a story about a series of sightings in the Mansfield PA area. Under these conditions, its important that every person own a dog who is either faithful... or slow.

The Bengal Cat may be of interest to the exotic cat lovers in the Cellar.

domestic/big cat hybrids!

Love these big babies!!!! I agree that most people don't have the required facilities/permits/knowledge and training to have wild cats at home...but this is exactly why exciting new breeds are being created by outcrossing domestic and wild cats.The result are great,intelligent,beautiful animals with sweet temperament AND the amazing look of a jungle creature!!
There is the Bengal cat (from the Asian Leopard Cat), the Savannah (from the african Serval)...the Safari (from the Geoffroy's Cat),the Bristol (from the Margay),the Chausie (from the Asian Jungle Cats),the Kanaani or Canaan(from the Felis lybica gordonii)...etc etc!
There is actually an hybrid being created specifically from the fishing cat,called a Bagral-or Machbagral. (visit www.embercreek.com for more infos)

There's a lot of information about these new breeds on the Net(www.hybridbeauty.com)....I own two Bengal crosses myself,and they are the most athletic,intelligent,inquisitive and well-behaved cats I ever owned!!! They are quite fascinated with water,and the older one loves to play fetch-just like a dog!
The new breeds are the results of careful outcrossing,removed 2 or 3 generations from their wild "grandparents",so are mostly domestic in nature-use cat litters faithfully,eat regular good quality catfood,and are actually easier to train since they are quite intelligent.
I wouldn't worry about a Bengal or a Savannah attacking me in the middle of the night,the worst that can happen is that they outcrowd you in bed!!!! >^..^<

Heh. I was wondering why Tony didn't use the phrase "It turns out that...". It's because this thread nearly 1 1/2 years old!

By the way, these hybrid species are clearly completely made up, since we all know evolution is B.S.

I personally don't understand why we have to breed all sorts of new cats, when there are millions of other cats already that need homes. Because they're bigger?

Just do like I did... Get a cat from a shelter and feed her well.

Re: domestic/big cat hybrids!

wild cat species' welfare!

Re: wild cat species' welfare!

Ok - kinda off the topic - but not really.

Has anyone read the paper backed version of Scott Adams "The Dilbert Future?" (Its either that one or "The Joy of Work.")

If anyone has read Scott Adams' books they will know that he is a huge cat lover and had this humungeos (sp) tuxedo cat named Freddie. At the end of the paper backed version he mentions that Freddie after the release of the book had passed into kitty heaven and he recommends that everyone go get a kitty from their Humane Society and to remember to have them spayed or neutered. Made me cry.

^..^

My brother discovered the secret to building big cats: Feed them all they want when they're kittens, and then taper it off to normal when they reach adulthood. His cat, Ritz, is huge. She stalks and attacks an ocassional ankle, but usually keeps the squirrel population down in the yard. We watched her dragging a squirrel across the yard to a secret eating spot, and I swear she looked like a lion dragging a wildebeast off into the bush.

...err kinda flip-flopped for a cat, eh. Usually, they cuddle with people and avoid water..

Look! Another thread discussing letting cats roam.

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lotta people I never heard of or saw before on this thread too.