4/12/2006: Ellsworth AFB foam test

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How do you figure out whether a foam firefighting system in an air force hangar is set up correctly and works? Well you turn it on for a few seconds, to make sure it's got pressure and everything. First you set up a scaffolding so you can record the event and show the flow coming out of all nozzles.



And then you let 'er rip. After 15 seconds you can see foam is covering all areas it has to, so the test is successful. Shut 'er off.



Uh, guys? Shut 'er off?



Aw crap. Whatever was meant to shut off the system after 15 seconds, did NOT shut it off and the foam continued to flow. After a few minutes...



The foam is a story high and still flowing!



Uh, Joe? you can climb the scaffolding ladder now...



Two stories high.



This is the guy standing on top of the scaffolding.



So they just let it go.





Thanks to xoxoxoBruce for the initial set of photos and then I googled and found a great gallery at Strategypage.

It doesn't show signs of stopping, and I've bought some corn for popping...

I'm gonna throw this firecracker under the ol' man's bunk and... WHAM!

That's what happens when you put too much soap in the washing machine.

Awesome!!

I LOVE the bandwidth the Cellar has now. This is a great series of pictures.

Wouldn't you think there would be a manual shutoff valve somewhere? How long before this finally got shut down?

LLLLLLUUUUUUUCCCCCYYYYY!!!!

I wonder what sort of suffocation risk that foam poses. Foam + smoke/CO/CO2?

Next time they should have a DJ and some raver chix

Haaaahhahah... that's hilarious. I wonder how they'd clean it up though.

I'm seeing a new-millenium remake of "The Thrill of It All" with Doris Day and James Garner.

If you write the screenplay, be sure to give me credit for the original idea when you pick up your Oscar, m'kay?

mm, neat.. I bet if they jumped in it, it wouldn't make hitting the ground any softer.

"You said 15 SECONDS? Not minutes? Sorry, my bad."

It seems that they just ruined millions in B-1s.
By the way dar, from my days playing Half Life, I have learned that there most definitely is. You just have to battle aliens to get to it.

Cool.
Reminds me of soaping the fountains in my hometown. We only wished for this much foam.

Also: AMEN ON THE BANDWIDTH. I love it!

Kind of made me think of Lawrence Welk. "An a wun an a two an a tree..."

Wonder how they managed to clean up the mess?

They're lucky they didn't drown.

Very cool pics.

Reminds me of an old Rolling Stones video where the band disappears in foam.

You would prolly be very uncomfortable but I really don't think you'd drown. Although if you are like me and are claustrophobic, you could die from a panic attack.

shiv, you sound like you're familiar with snow, and I'm sure canuck49 is.
Welcome to the Cellar, both of you.

Guess what folks? I was watching the referrers on this one, and someone had the full story.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123019117

Is this stuff non-toxic/environmentally friendly/naturally dissipiates?

Misled? That's what they want you to believe

Welcome to the Cellar, mtspace.
Is that true?

> I wonder how they'd clean it up though.

Greetings Private! - Meet Mr toothbrush...

-t

mama mia!

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Originally Posted by tangent > I wonder how they'd clean it up though. Greetings Private! - Meet Mr toothbrush... -t

Airmen

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Originally Posted by tangent > I wonder how they'd clean it up though. Greetings Private! - Meet Mr toothbrush... -t

In response to the cleanup - My Dad was a career Crash and Rescue firefighter for the Airforce and I was a volunteer for a number of years. What is typically used in the foam systems is a form of dish soap labeled AFFF (Aqueous Film Forming Foam or "A Triple F") (there are other additives based on the location or known combustibles in the building, but typically just a non-toxic bubbly stuff to cool down the combustible and slow down the amount of oxygen that can get to the fire. Foam sits on top of liquids like jet fuel and other stuff and doesn't splash it around like just plain water would - think of spraying cold water in a hot deep fryer - not good). All it takes is removing the fluff via fans or snow shovels and then a lot of power washing. You noticed a firetruck in one of the photos? The water cannon on those are a pretty effective power washer. Final thought - the B2's at Ellsworth are spendy. At least with a foam system like this you just wash off the planes and it doesn't damage the special paint and coatings on the aircraft. Also, if you're surrounded in AFFF foam, just swim your arms around infront of your face and you create an air pocket that you can breathe. Unless it's Baricade Foam, but that's a different story and not something they'd use in a location like this.

Thanks, Dirk. Welcome to the Cellar.

Don't beleive everything you here.
I am an Airmen at Ellsworth and if you want to actually know what happened don't float around blindsided site like this and go read something with believability......

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123019117

it was 4 minutes, it did not cost millions in damage to b-1's, and overall the test was incredibly succesful compared to what they wanted. and they opened the doors for the sake of those people standing on the scaffolding.
now grow some brain cells and quit being qullable.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce OK, so the timeline was wrong and the system did not fail to shut off when it should. That's good news. BUT; 1- It did not perform as expected. 2- The fact it performed better than expected still means they were wrong. 3- It caught everyone involved, off guard. 4- To fill the hangar and coat the countryside was not planned 5- It's funny as hell. Of course, as Master Sgt. Dana Rogers said, all that emailing does more damage than the excess foam so, no harm, no foul. Just Easter egg on their faces.

Hey comphappy, welcome to the Cellar.

You're basically just arguing semantics. If there are expectations before a test, and then the results are different than those expectations, then those expectations were wrong. You're right. It's just a test, so it's no big deal. And it's just a bunch of harmless foam. No harm, no foul, as you say.

Nobody is saying that the fine men and women at Ellsworth are idiots. This thread is just a great picture story. It's funny. Look at all that foam! It's received a lot of attention, which is further proof that it's a great sequence of images.

cost

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Originally Posted by gen131 Speaking of Cost. I just recently read a blurb that says that the B-2's are worth (or cost) more than their weight in gold. I dont know the exact specs on the weight of a B-2, but I know they are pretty darn heavy. That's a lot of gold! Ahh... Military bluntness permeates the post's of comphappy. One thing about being in the military, is that soldiers are usually not slow to express their opinions or feelings about topics or other people. Unless of course that other person significantly outranks you, in which case you might hold off on your opinions of his character, and stick to opinions of the topic at hand. Except perhaps if you have a good working relationship with him, and you do not take it to the point of disrespect or disregard for his authority.

Haha, those pictures are awesome, regardless of the spin the military tries to put on what happened. Two stories of foam is two stories of foam.

Hello comphappy, glad you stopped by.
The "Air Force Link" you posted had been already posted by Undertoad in post #25.
If you follow the thread, yes, the original posting had the wrong facts. I was misled and I misled Undertoad. After post #25 the real story was known and that's what I was saying in my post you quoted, that even with the true circumstances known, it was still funny. If anyone is to "blame", it's the overzealous contractor, that supplied the system, for not knowing it's capabilities.

What I found as funny as the pictures is the tightassed tap dancing by Tech. Sgt. Steven D. Wilson, Lt. Col. Navnit Singh and Master Sgt. Dana Rogers, trying to be all serious and military.

If you poke around the Cellar a bit, you'll find we're pretty split on what the military is doing, under orders, these days. But that said, I think you'll find we (99% at least) have nothing but respect and admiration for the men and women that have to carry out those orders.

If you feel personally offended by this thread and the comments in it, you shouldn't.

all that hanger needs is some hard nrg rave music and some strobes and lasers.

damn Fly Boys........

hmm?

I must say comphappy, you came here pretty hostile.

I found the pictures hilarious, and even after finding out the real story, it was still hilarious.

and i keep saying you fly boys crack me up!!

well Gen,
That was a bit much for a response to anything I said, considering we are on a web forum. but anywho as far as 'army brat' goes isn't that the proper slang term for the child of a Soldier in the army? I suppose proper slang would just kind of be an oxymoron.

I don't think there's anything wrong with an E-4 and an E-5 being friends with each other. As long as he can be my boss when he needs to be (i.e. I'm in trouble). I've even shared a few jokes with my LT and Capt. Are you telling me you never share a joke with the guys even if there a couple pay grades higher or lower then yourself? I've been inside a few officers lounges I know what there doing on friday afternoon.

and since everyone is assured of the truth that this was in no way a fluke and actually great success as far as testing goes.
picture courtesy of a fellow member of 3c0x1.net

hahaha nice one comp. its just what i imagined

Damn, gen131. I hope you don't give orders that long......everyone would have to learn shorthand.

Comphappy was a little testy, but I assumed this wasn't his first stop. UT said something like 8,000 sites were linking those pictures, so there's a good chance he'd been reading plenty of derogatory remarks about the Air Force and the military in general, before he got here.
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, anyway.

Gen131 said "If you were to show a tone of aggression or disrespect, you would quickly find yourself crunching out pushups with your feet up on the side of one of those fancy B-1 tires at least 4 feet off the ground until I get tired.
If you were to call me an A**hole or anything of the such using a vulgar and unprofessional language, you would definately find yourself with a nice round of consructive and corrective activity."

MOUNTIN CLIMBERS MOTHER FUCKER , GO !!!!!!!

Try saying that shit to a GUNNERY SGT in the USMC , See how far it goes .
I DON'T think you would like the out come , AT ALL !!!!!!!

Oh and comphappy DON'T be going off on Bruce ( YA Byotch!!!!! ) ,
In the cellar he is an E8-9 !!! (in my hummble opinion )

RESPECT

To gen131: This is a good scene. It reminds me of my old days in the USAF. This link was forwarded to me from a guy who is a retired US Navy Finance Officer.

Well, now that I am a little bit older and have some bugs on my teeth traveling through life, I have to agree with your take on discipline.

When I was young and a skull full of mush, I did not have much of a clue. As time has passed and I can look back on my time in service, I would not trade it for anything in the world. At the time, it seemed to not be the case, but it is true. There is nothing like comradery and team spirit/cohesion. I have never ever have found it since with any place I have worked. So my hats off to the folks who are willing to stick it out and put up with the juveniles.

Dispite the comments to one another, this is stuff that you will take with you for the rest of your life. I can not tell you how many great people who I have met that have served in different branches from WWII forward and the stories they have shared. NOTHING HAS CHANGED! Just the people and the calendar on the wall.

I have a friend who was volunteer SS from Deutschland. He was a volunteer at 15, yes Hitler youth, the whole nine yards. I have had the opportunity to even hold and read his files and some of specialty ceremonial daggers, etc.

He was a prisoner of war in the English Occupation. He told me stories of reality, showed me pictures of the truth of it over there, you youngsters should befriend some of these old guys, you could learn a lot more than the crap that they force feed you on TV or at school.

One really profound thing he told me was "All living creatures need three things, Food, Companionship & Shelter, and it is not always in that order either, nothing else, everything else is extra, in the regards to living and dying". VERY POWERFULL AND TRUE WORDS.

THINK ABOUT THEM.

His reply about WWII, "What a waste, brother against brother". He has a tremendous respect for life despite what folks want to think of the word "SS".

He was a soldier just like you and he was doing his job. He told me about the unit cohesion with the Officers and the Enlisted. They were tight, yet with discipline and respect for their grade. They ate, slept and died together. TEAM WORK.

He was in a group of youth that came out of basic at the end of the war. They asked for 300 volunteers for SS duty. His job was to destroy tanks. He was sent to Denmark. All of the rest went to the battle of Berlin. He knows of no survivors of that event in history.

He tells me stories of starvation after the war. There was the time he was crawling along in the gravel road bed of the railroad tracks looking for corn kernels in the full moonlight that fell off the cars just so he had something to eat. Eating anything that moved, cats, etc. Finding dead horses, etc and having to butcher them. You have no clue until you've been there. I know I haven't, but I can sure imagine. Things are a lot more fragile than you can know.

So, yes, when the crap is flyin' you better make sure you know whos got your back. It is better to be friends with mutual respect than to be something else. TEAM WORK, it is what it is all about and that is what makes the USAF great!

Thanks for reading my post. And for the folks who don't get it and want to respond with little thought, well, I am sorry that you can't be reached.

Weasel Keeper of GAFB - Ghosts of the Cold War

this thread has been ruined. it started off as a funny situation and has turned in something serious.

SHAME SHAME SHAME

Welcome to the Cellar, Weasel Keeper. Interesting insight into the military and humanity.
Your SS buddy's story shows exactly what's wrong with the blind, gung ho attitude, the military builds. By the time this kid (15?) got into action, the war was lost. His friends died in Berlin, needlessly. What a waste, indeed.

well... over 350,000 views and only 60 replies. thats more than the "what the fuck" thread. if you google "ellsworth foam test" you get the Cellar as the number one site.

good shit

Why can't some people just see that the pictures are funny, the thread was funny, and nobody was bashing the military? Apparently there are some out there that have never heard the phrase, "If you can't say something good, don't say anything at all"!!! If I were to make a comment such as "I bet if a certain someone shoved a lump of coal up his butt he would shit a diamond", would that fall under not saying something good? Oh well, one can't always stick to saying the nicest things.
Can someone please end this thread with a good joke somehow involving large quantities of foam? Oh yeah, gen131 thanks for well put lessons on tact and military bearing. Too bad that seemed to have zero impact on it's intended target!

Funny and Serious

Ok, to get the obvious out of the way, this is really funny, especially the images of the foam releasing out of the hangar.

Now for the serious part: I've been a firefighter for...a while, and I joined the Cellar just so I could reply to some of the crap on this post. As somebody else pointed out, the foam is AFFF, typically used to suppress ignition of combustible fluids (more on that in a moment), especially JP and gasoline, where the vapors are explosive and heavier than air (thus they can obtain a vapor density sufficient to be combustible). The goal of AFFF is NOT to combine with (i.e. emulsify) the fluid but to sit on top of it and smother the fire by dispersing the vapors and limiting atmospheric esposure to the liquid, which limits evaporation, which means it can't burn (I'm skipping the Junior Chemistry on exothermic oxidation reactions ). The surface tension of the bubbles further suppresses other chemical reactions which can allow spontaneous oxidation and combustion (in other words, some emulsification is a good thing). Of course, the mass of the foam and the relative temperature differential also plays a significant part in limiting oxidation as well. So, for those of you who just had the lightbulb go off in your head, yes AFFF is also effective at suppressing class "A" fires. The reason it isn't more widely used for class "A" fires (structure fires, in particular) is a complicated issue, although apparatus manufacturers (most notably Pierce) has been trying to convince more fire companies of the significant advantages of fighting all class A and B fires with AFFF. My recollection (although someone else can correct me on this) is that AFFF is NOT electrically conductive and therefore can also be used on class "C" fires. Again, I don't know that for sure. Class "D" fires (combustible metals) are not candidates for suppression with AFFF.

Anyway, AFFF is typically fractioned at 1-4%, depending on the situation and application, although some fractioners only disperse AFFF at one concentration for ease of use. Can you suffocate in this stuff? Hell yes. You are in soap suds, but dense soap suds, not like the stuff on the top of your bubble bath. As you can see from the runoff from the hangar, and the dispersal pattern from the nozzles, there is a significant density to the solution, which means significant air displacement, and thus significant fire suppression and cooling. I have never been in AFFF of a depth even approaching 1m (espcially in a confined space), so I can't tell you what the differential is between the top and bottom. At the depth of the solution in the hangar it would be impossible to carve out a significant air pocket to ensure survival. The good news is that you are a lot more likely to survive an AFFF near-drowning than you are a flashover.

This system was surely modified after this test to limit the total flow to ensure that a situation like the one illustrated for the test ever occurred, in case it was impossible for personnel to evacuate the hangar, or to release the foam.

Oh, and one other thing: yes, AFFF is essntially dish soap, although I believe it also contains a surfactant to ensure consistent bubble size. Being cheap by nature (AFFF is expensive), most of us in our department have acquired old Class "A" fire extinguishers (water cans) and have filled them with homemade AFFF (check the net for a recipe that suits you - I use a general purpose one because I don't know if I'll be first-on-scene at a car fire with entrapment or a brush fire).

Anyway, to repeat, the pictures are damn funny.

Hey thanks, FireFightingMan.
If I do the net recipe and stick it in my water extinguisher, what makes it foam when it comes out, just being forced through the nozzle at speed?

Welcome to USAvetUSAFspouse, too.

I'll leave the image of you shaking your can, to the ladies.

Class B fires, flammable liquids and gases, solvents, oils, greases (excluding cooking oils/greases in depth) tars, oil-based paints and lacquers, (yeah, I had to check) keep flaring up because the fumes are reignited by what's still burning? Do they stop flaring once the flames are completely extinguished?
I guess the AFFF would suppress the flammable vapors from reforming while you get the flames beaten down.

...and the like

Thank you, Sir.
Now all the Cellar members are qualified for Jr. Firefighter Badges. But remember folks, if you work the siren, you can't ring the bell on the same run.

OK, not to nitpick, but...

A Cue? What do they call the bell and the different types of lights?

Another inexpensive way to get a good foam stream is to use a pesticide sprayer with a RoundUp foaming tip.
We used that to get foam to put out small fires when we were burning groves here in FL. Worked great.

OMG You're Such an Idiot

The Operative Word Here Is...

SMALL.

Here's the skinny on brush fires. 1) Brush fires are relatively hard to extinguish because the are relatively hard to contain, and it's relatively difficult to do overhaul on them because of the magnitude of the task. The reason for that is that since the fire is out in the open with lots of fuel all around, it's difficult to ensure that an area that is burning doesn't continue to burn. Brush fires burn grass, brush, and trees for the most part. Early-ish in the Spring (or at any time in Spring when there is little rainfall) all of the deadfall from the previous Winter is just sitting there waiting to go up. That is one of the reasons why there tend to be more brush fires in the Spring in more places than later in the season, even though the ones later get most of the attention. Trees are just like the studs, joists, etc. in your house, except they're usually farther from the firefighting apparatus, which means that when we're trying to put them out we have to hand-carry the water/foam/whatever, along with the other tools necessary some distance from the rig. The other tools are typically axes and maybe saws. We have to break the wood apart to get at all the fire burning inside the tree, especially in old deadfall trees.

Now some of you might be asking yourself "Why not just let the stuff in the middle burn?" To a large degree we do. However, fire isn't an exact or an absolute thing. Not all of an area that is "burning" is actually burning. Some of it (usually most of it) won't burn at all. There will be swatches through the landscape where there is fire. The problem is that if you just let everything in the interior of the fireground burn, then the ajacent, unburned land is also at risk (since it hasn't burned...yet.

Structure fires are pretty easy - the structure contains the fire for the most part, and if it gets completely out of hand, we just "surround and drown". End of problem. We can park apparatus near the fire. We can overwhelm the fire with water (the usual approach). You can't do any of that with a brush fire.

2) Brush fires don't just burn down houses. Stupid people get thier houses burned down. There was a study done by I believe it was the US Fire Commission or the Forestry Service that stated that of houses lost to brush fires, the most obvious factors are shake roofs or a large combustible load in contact with the house, i.e. bushes that haven't been trimmed so that they don't touch the home. Mulch does not appear to be a significant contributing factor. If you are worried about your house making it through a firestorm, TRIM YOUR BUSHES. Get them off your house. The further away they are, the better. Bushes burning allow the contact time to get your house burning. The further away they are from your house the better. Obviously in the case of a fire approaching the first priority for you and your family is your personal safety, so don't be an idiot and die trying to cut the foliage down. Get the hell out so you dont.

3) If you want your house to still be standing when you get back, make it easy to defend. We aren't driving through neighborhoods looking to save every house. We are looking for the place where we're going to make a stand. Swimming pool with easy access: good. Clearing around the home: good. Not on a hillside: good. Brick or other non-combustible construction: good. Well-manicured property without lots of brush or other crap near the house: good. However, I have to tell you that there is one way to put your house on the "MUST SAVE" list: VOLUNTEER AT YOUR LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT. You will learn how to save your own house, and you will get an "in" with the people who have to decide who's house they're going to save.

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well what if instead of the nozzle i made the hose into a venturi?????

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Holy crap, 523,000 views on this thread!

Welcome to the Cellar, fredengle.
Fireman?

We seem to have lost all but the first photo though.

good thanks!!:p

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Originally Posted by Kitsune [i]It doesn't show signs of stopping, and I've bought some corn for popping...

Welcome to the Cellar, bevoer. Looks like you're off to a nice start.

Hahaha. Off to a nice start? Are you sure?

Caution - Hidden link in above post!

Not anymore.

Thanks Bruce - I looked up the link but couldn't really tell what it was or if it was malicious.

All hidden links are malicious.

oh in that case I'm glad I found it and you killed it.

That is a pretty safe assumption.

What's a hidden link?

It didnt by any chance link to a board called AKK did it?

I saw it but didn't click the link. It was in yellow under the post. Damn...I reckon folks think we're stoopid, huh?

Nice work, Bruce. I nominate UT gives you an extra bonus this year.

If you see a hidden link Cap'n or anyone else, let a mod now via the contact us link at the bottom of the page.

Doesn't anyone else get a pop-up when they open this thread? I keep getting one from an image link in Kaken's post #69. A foam image he linked to from "Nick's Blog" keeps asking for a password every time this thread loads.
"A username and password are being requested by http://www.nickwelchbolen.com. The site says: "Nick's Blog""

Weird.

I just got a pop up when I tried to open page 5. same one as you - that is weird!

I probably display more posts on a page than you. So post 69 appears when I view most recent posts.

It's just the image kagen linked to that's doing it.

I see - so what you are saying is that I'm getting the popup when the page that post #69 is on, loads. Gotcha. If I may ask - How did you determine it was that image?

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Originally Posted by classicman I see - so what you are saying is that I'm getting the popup when the page that post #69 is on, loads. Gotcha. If I may ask - How did you determine it was that image?

Got it. It was a link to a picture in Kagen4o4's post.

Excellent - now that we have that settled... what were we talking about

This is the IotD that brought me to the cellar . Someone linked to it on another site I belong to.

Good stuffs!

stormie - me too, but it was the wtf thread that made me stay.

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Originally Posted by classicman I just got a pop up when I tried to open page 5. same one as you - that is weird!

Such a very amazing link!

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Very nice post with a ton of informative information. I really appreciate the fact that you approach these topics from a stand point of knowledge and information
instead of the typical “I think” mentality that you see so much on the internet these days.

I'm fond of being informed with informative foam information.

No, you just think you are fond of being informed, foam-wise.

In order to truly be fond of foam, one must be informed.

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Originally Posted by capnhowdy In order to truly be fond of foam, one must be informed.

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Originally Posted by briantomhson Very nice post with a ton of informative information. I really appreciate the fact that you approach these topics from a stand point of knowledge and information instead of the typical “I think” mentality that you see so much on the internet these days.

Oh, no way. His name is Brian Tomhson. He and Bruce Smith are true red-blooded Americans, can't you tell?

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Originally Posted by dar512 Do I smell spam on the way?

Wait, was that a metric ton?

This new guy, is he friend or foam?

His posts are all froth and bubble, at any rate.

VIDEO LINKS

It's been quite a while since I first saw this thread, and I see that the video that had been posted is now reduced to a single still. Here are several different videos of the same event -- though I don't see a single B-1 among them.

The rules say that I shouldn't post links on my first post, but I'm disregarding them under the "exigencies of the situation". I trust that the moderator will allow this to be posted.

If anyone ever looks at this (the Internet isn't REALLY forever), here are links to various videos of this, These were each valid as of 11:00 pm EST on 11 APR 2011.
-- Roy B. Scherer
-- Formerly of 95th FIS, ADC, USAF
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2:42 video at:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1OfLthj7nc>
Completely different video, edited, 1:07 at:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILYWJ0O__C0>
Yet a third different video, this one 5:39 and from a wider perspective, at:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpOwkchy9Bw>
And a fourth, handheld, w/audio, 2:26:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w8zORFPRfw>

And last, a fifth video shot AFTER the foam stopped, 1:29, with audio:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxNGokWXZaY>
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Thanks all for your service, be you groundpounder, flyboy, jarhead, squie, or even feathermerchant . . . or a "mere" taxpayer!

Welcome to the Cellar FreeRoy.

Some people will do anything for a bucket of suds, eh?

Your article is professional and i learn the important knowledge which i'm searching for online.You really do a good job!


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Somehow missed this one back in 2012.

Foam on some blackhawks. Lots of pictures at the link above.

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You didn't miss it in 2012, I don't think it didn't happen until 2014.

Loooooook! Moar Foam!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38034467